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« Reply #285 on: March 04, 2009, 10:06:17 AM »

Um maybe it is still happening - in the US maybe?  Maybe a look at the consumer affairs web site would be of interest, TCM.
If there are reports on consumeraffairs pertaining to any of Champion's pet foods, please post the link. TIA

Or pertaining to anyone else's pet food yes pls post link
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« Reply #286 on: March 04, 2009, 04:31:52 PM »


Here is the link to the consumer affairs web site.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/
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« Reply #287 on: March 04, 2009, 09:00:39 PM »

maxymia, consider it done.
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« Reply #288 on: March 04, 2009, 09:47:00 PM »

  Lets just put it out there shall we?       "In Australia we have had major problems throughout 2007 with Nutro dried food. 19 cats of various breeds have been stricken with hind limb ataxia, wobbly, couldn’t walk without staggering or falling, some 50 approx kittens born dead or died screaming in agony, uterine inertia, haemorrhage after caesars, Mums not lactating and all they had in common was this food. The cats that ate 100% of this dried food were the worst affected of all. Thousands of dollars spent on vet bills and Nutro still refuse to admit it was their food. At one stage the NZ branch manager said “if we admit there was something wrong with the food and pay your vet bills would that satisfy you?” .. well that never happened and they did not recall any food and sold the rubbish batches off cheap for $2.50 Kg to unsuspecting owners. Last week I was told a rep from a different company said there was a toxic substance in their dried food the same as Nutro had but Nutro decided against a too expensive recall and just let it go. The last bit is heresay but confirms what we all suspect to be true".                             http://petnblog.preciouspets.org/?p=560                                                                                                                           
  And yet another. "I had been feeding Nutro dried food for years but in 2007 I had 5 cats with hind limb ataxia, 2 with uterine inertia, 1 with massive haemorrhage, 34+ kittens born dead or died screaming in agony 24-48 hours after birthing, queens without milk when they were previously the best Mums and my Brown Burmese breeding program of 17 years almost wiped out until I realised the common denominator was Nutro dried cat food. Some were 100% Nutro feeders. Once I stopped feeding this rubbish all my cats are walking again, Mums have milk now and 4 litters born to queens not fed Nutro during pregnancy and all babies alive and well. Mums now lactating again. I know of 10 more homes that have had similar problems when feeding Nutro dried food.
Nutro are in constant denial, don’t care, don’t give a damn and adopt bullying tactics when owners email them about their concerns. Make phone calls to vets and owners trying to convince them that it is not their food causing the problem. Samples sent back to USA by two of us via Nutro were destroyed at the point of entry because they did not do all the paperwork. Yet a sample sent back by Nutro for Nutro got through and the Head Office agreed the food was rancid.Some of the food was radiated because of the ingredients but vets tell me radiation should not cause these problems. The symptoms are the same as Salinomycin Induced Polyneuropathy that occurred in Holland in 1996. 3 Vets agree that this is the clinical history of my cats. Post mortem was inconclusive because the University was not able to test for ionophores. Nothing else was found that could cause a cat to become crippled.
I will never feed this food again. This company needs thorough investigation and I have written a formal complaint to FDA and an American vet.                                  http://petnblog.preciouspets.org/?p=530

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« Reply #289 on: March 04, 2009, 10:09:31 PM »

Okay, we shall:

"Posted by: Larry Gleaves | Apr 1, 2007 11:16:56 AM

We fed Nutro dried food imported from USA and had 5 cats with symptoms as per Salinomycin Induced Polyneuropathy. So far other owners have contacted me and the count is up to 12 cats. Nutro will not help us. Thousands of dollars spent on vet bills. Nutro took samples of food from us and sent back to USA for testing and customs destroyed the food. Last time customs refused import of Nutro food they labelled it POISONOUS. We are still trying to find out what toxin is in this rotten food. So the problems spread out as far away as Australia.
Nutro doesn't care about pets obviously or they would be doing their darndest to analyse their food and locate the culprit. They are just waiting for their victims to go away."

http://www.serendipit-e.com/blog/2007/03/rat_poison_foun.html
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« Reply #290 on: March 05, 2009, 11:33:29 AM »

Another pet parent on the private forum just posted that another affected kitty has died in Australia from poisoned Orijen food.

RIP, sweet Smokey. 
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« Reply #291 on: March 05, 2009, 01:48:25 PM »

GodSpeed Smokey and prayers to the family.
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« Reply #292 on: March 06, 2009, 06:01:10 PM »

  It seems that I had read somewhere of a couple of cats, that were not of Australia, exhibiting similar symptoms after eating the Orijen. Does anyone know if there has been any recent news about these kitties?

Four actually.
THAT WE KNOW OF.
One in Malaysia (deceased)
One in UK (possibly 2)
One in USA (possibly 2 - unsure if 4th in UK or US - Maxymia has been following this more closely and can give us a full summary)

I've been in close touch with the owner of the one in USA that Champion demanded retract her statements and threatened with litigation if she didn't. Her cat is still jumping at shadows and behaving strangely and showing some wobbliness.
                                                                                                                                                                                                   Maxymia, Would you be so kind to relate to us what has been happening with these ill kitties that are not of Australia?


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« Reply #293 on: March 06, 2009, 10:07:38 PM »

  It seems that I had read somewhere of a couple of cats, that were not of Australia, exhibiting similar symptoms after eating the Orijen. Does anyone know if there has been any recent news about these kitties?

Four actually.
THAT WE KNOW OF.
One in Malaysia (deceased)
One in UK (possibly 2)
One in USA (possibly 2 - unsure if 4th in UK or US - Maxymia has been following this more closely and can give us a full summary)

I've been in close touch with the owner of the one in USA that Champion demanded retract her statements and threatened with litigation if she didn't. Her cat is still jumping at shadows and behaving strangely and showing some wobbliness.
                                                                                                                                                                                                   Maxymia, Would you be so kind to relate to us what has been happening with these ill kitties that are not of Australia?




Bonkers I am waiting to hear back from the ownwer  of the cat with similar symptons in Malaysia. When I contacted them, they told me that unfortunately they were waiting on PM results and will contact me when they get them. This owner needs to grieve so I am still following it but I feel they need time.

The case in UK that was similar. The owners had to unfortunately PTS and decided against a PM. Have not had a chance to contact them as yet, as again I feel they need to grieve

2 cases in US. One cat was put to sleep and the owner has not contacted me as yet. I have spoken to the other owner whose cat was showing milder/similar symptoms and they are looking into it.

Sorry but that is all I can tell you. Between looking after my 2 cats, full time work, battling Champion,lobbying our government and giving support to all here, I am finding it hard to keep up but I will do my best. I know you all eagerly want this cleared up but unfortunately blood tests of cats in Australia are quite normal as is the case with the one cat in US that is thankfully still with us. Apart from comparing symptoms which are very similar to my 2 cats, I do not really know where else to go.

In the case of the cat in Malaysia the PM results should be able to tell us something as this seems the best way to diagnose.
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« Reply #294 on: March 08, 2009, 08:45:21 AM »

DAFF Response to Government on Notice Irradiation of Food/ Pet Food

(Original was scanned into pdf file so copy-typed below for posting on forums.)

Dear Ms C……

Thank you for your correspondence of 16 January 2009 to the Hon. Tony Burke MP, Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry about the gamma irradiation of pet food. Minister Burke has asked me as Executive Manager, Quarantine Operations Division of the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) to reply on his behalf. I apologise for the delay in replying.

Australia is free of a number of animal diseases, such as foot and mouth disease, which have had major economic and environmental consequences for other countries, AQIS operates border quarantine activities with the aim of maintaining Australia’s favourable animal and plant health status.

Importers pet food products present a high risk as they may contain animal disease agents or pests that are exotic to Australia. To manage the risks posed by imported pet food, and a range of other products, AQIS is required under the Quarantine Act 1908 to regulate imports through a permit system.

Applications for import permits undergo a rigorous risk assessment by AQIS to evaluate potential quarantine risks and where such risks are identified, AQIS applies specific import conditions to manage these risks. In the case of imported pet food, heat treatment applied during manufacture is sufficient to inactivate exotic disease agents. In some instances, where the manufacturer’s processing is insufficient to meet standard heat treatment requirements, import permit applicants are offered further heat treatment of gamma radiation as a treatment option . AQIS does not compel the irradiation of imported pet food.

AQIS is required under the Quarantine Act to advise importers where it is believed that a treatment may affect quality of the imported product. To this end, AQIS advises all relevant import applicants to contact the treatment provider to obtain information on the effect any such treatment may have on their product. AQIS advised the importers of Orijen cat food in 2007 that they should seek advice on the possible effects if irradiation on their product, and only issued the import permit after the importer confirmed that they wished to proceed with irradiation.

Thank you for the information provided in your correspondence regarding the potential health impact of feeding of irradiated dry pet food in cats. AQIS’ powers to do not include the regulation of pet food safety. However, AQIS and Biosecurity Australia (BA) have considered this new information together with other scientific data and AQIS will be contacting import permit holders of pet foods to advise them of the findings of these studies.



The Department of Agriculture Fisheries and Forestry (DAFF) under which AQIS currently operates, has also liaised with the Food Industry Association of Australia (PFIAA) during the development of a voluntary industry Code of Practice for the Manufacturing and Marketing of Pet Food. DAFF understands that this Code is intended to protect pets and consumers by controlling potential hazards to animal health that might be associated with pet food

Thank you again for bringing your concerns to my attention. I trust this information is of assistance.

If you have any further queries relating to this matter, please direct them to Dr Dennis Bittisnich, Manager, Biological imports program AQIS, who can be contacted on (02) 6272 3053 or be e-mail at dennis.bittisnich@aqis.gov.au

Yours sincerely


Tim Chapman
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Given that this is what my letter requested:
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By this letter addressed to the Minister of Agriculture Fisheries and Forestry and copied to AQIS I am requesting:

1) That a full review be carried out, without delay, of the regulations governing gamma irradiation applied to ALL foods, including pet food and animal feedstuffs released onto the Australian market whether imported or Australian grown/manufactured, on the premise that if it can do this to our animals, it could also do this to us and our children.

2) That a review of ALL available data regarding the safety of this procedure, not just studies that support the status quo, be carried out without delay.

3) That these reviews be carried out by an independent body of food scientists, nutritionists, toxicologists and appropriately informed representatives of consumer groups rather than by members of food corporations or the nuclear industry both of whom have vested interests in the outcome.

4) That the legislation, which currently does not require clear and prominent labelling of certain foods as “IRRADIATED” when they have been thus treated, be immediately amended with fast passage through Federal Parliament so that it becomes mandatory, as soon as possible, for ALL irradiated human and animal foodstuffs in Australia including individual supermarket fruit and vegetable items held in lengthy storage to be labelled “IRRADIATED” together with full disclosure of the levels of radiation used.

5) That this labelling requirement be maintained in perpetuity in the Australian marketplace regardless of what Codex Alimentarius wants to have happen worldwide eventually.

Australian consumers deserve to be recognised as intelligent people with the right to make their own decisions with regard to whether they choose to eat or feed their children and pets irradiated, genetically-modified or nanotech-engineered food rather than having it foisted upon them with neither their knowledge nor consent. I firmly believe that all such unnatural processes carried out on foods whether in their country of origin or upon import to Australia should be clearly identified by prominent and unequivocal labelling. UNQUOTE



I feel the reply has fallen somewhat short of addressing these requests. Not to mention the preceding 7 pages of information vigorously challenging the AQIS 23 Dec Notice to Industry declaring irradiation of food/pet foods to be safe.

http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/938949/33-08-09.pdf

I invite your comments.

Thanks
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« Reply #295 on: March 08, 2009, 03:19:09 PM »

Does either AU or Canada have a similar law to the US's Freedom of Information Act? If they do, one could file the correct paper work and force Champion to produce the signed documents as stated in the DAFF response  written to TCM. If neither country has that law, would it be possible to get the documentation by using the US law?
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« Reply #296 on: March 08, 2009, 06:16:02 PM »

Australia has its own Freedom of Information Act and documents can be applied for release from DAFF files under the act. If you go to the DAFF website you will see a link explaining all this.

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« Reply #297 on: March 08, 2009, 10:27:52 PM »

Re Smokey,
Have today emailed the Minister, Biosecurity Australia, AQIS and CSIRO Animal Health Laboratory as follows:

Good afternoon,
 
An aggrieved owner has given me permission to directly quote his email to you regarding the death of his cat last Thursday following being struck down by full paralysis in November 2008. This cat was particularly badly affected, being rigidly spastic and having no volitional movement whatsoever. He has now died due to organ damage complications.
 
Hi T,
 
Smokey is gone... this morning found him, not breathing... can't function properly, I knew it was coming and yet...
 
Went to the vet, he has found that the thyroid was enlarged (he had thyroid problems and was on medication since the orijen seems to have done something). Also, he has tried to pass urine but for some reason couldn't and the quantity of urea in the blood was elevated - leading to seizures.
 
Last night he seemed a little more at peace - although he was somewhere else.
 
Am sorry - it's bad news
 
Regards,

B.  B.


Whilst I have received a reply from Tim Chapman,Executive Manager, Quarantine Operations Division, on behalf of the Minister the Hon. Tony Burke M.P. to my letter of 16 January, I feel bound to say it falls far short of addressing the requests for full review of legislation around gamma irradiation and amendment of labelling laws in relation to pet food.

It is simply not enough to say that the safety of pet food is outside of the control of AQIS.

The safety of other people's children is outside of my control but watch what happens to me if a parent momentarily loses concentration outside a school and their child runs into the path of my oncoming car.

You, DAFF/ AQIS, maybe legislatively out of reach but you are socially out of touch and as morally liable for killing this cat (and some 20 others) as Champion and their importer are legally liable and shame on you for avoiding this issue by sanctimoniously hiding behind the goodness of the Quarantine Act of 1908, of which it is unnecessary to remind me since my disclaimer on the cover page of my submission explained that I am fully aware of and support it.

It is the methods used and the lack of duty of care (which you still have, regardless) and due diligence when the decision was taken, by whoever it was, to irradiate pet foods at a MINIMUM of 50kGy. In the USA, 50kGy is the MAXIMUM allowable. And a 40% tolerance level above this amount is - well - intolerable. I know of no other protocol, scientific or otherwise which allows for a 40% tolerance level. If you do, then please point me to it and I will stand corrected.

Glad no anaesthetist I've ever needed worked to that protocol.

 

 

T C

 and I attached photo of Smokey as well.


All I get is read reports, but the pressure has to be kept up.


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« Reply #298 on: March 11, 2009, 07:11:27 AM »

   TCM, I commend you on your determination to seek change in your country and I pray you are successful. I was a little suprised to read in Tim Chapman's letter that where he stated "AQIS does not compel the irradiation of imported pet food". OK then who does? I thought that any imported pet food that had not been heat treated to meet certain requirements had to be irradiated.  Huh
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« Reply #299 on: March 11, 2009, 07:57:51 PM »

   TCM, I commend you on your determination to seek change in your country and I pray you are successful. I was a little suprised to read in Tim Chapman's letter that where he stated "AQIS does not compel the irradiation of imported pet food". OK then who does? I thought that any imported pet food that had not been heat treated to meet certain requirements had to be irradiated.  Huh

Thank you.

AQIS does not compel the irradiation of anything.

They exist to protect Australia from the entry of external pathogens.

To this end, they examine all goods upon entry (hand carried by visitors or declared) and they examine all import permit applications to determine if there is a likely risk  in importing the goods without some kind of treatment.

If a risk is identified, the importer is informed that in order for an import permit to be approved, they must agree in writing to a form of treatment if they want to bring the goods in. Three options are offered:
1) Heat treatment
2) Gamma irradiation
3) Don't go ahead with the import

In the case of Orijen pet food, the importer chose gamma irradiation, signed off on this, and the import permit was granted on that basis. Heat treatment was apparently deemed to be inappropriate for the product.

At no time does AQIS insist upon gamma irradiation. The choices are heat treatment, gamma irradiation or don't import/return to origin.

That little sh!t Lobo, the importer, who has just dropped below the radar (for the moment) must have sought some input into the decision to choose gamma irradiation. Where that input came from is yet to be determined.

AQIS forms that require signing clearly state the ball in in the importers court and it is their responsibility to determine which form of treatment is most appropriate for the product to be imported. The forms clearly spell out that independent investigation by the importer is the importer's responsibility and that AQIS bear no responsibility in the product's fit for purpose state after treatment.

The liability rests with the importer.

The forms are all quite clear and self-explanatory and in addition I have had extensive discussions by email and by telephone at the highest level within AQIS. 

I hope that clarifies everything.
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