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catgirl
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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2007, 12:26:41 PM »

Or not.

This simply isn't true. There is PLENTY of evidence to state otherwise. If you read through these sites, the information is there.

DRY FOOD IS POISONOUS FOR CATS.

www.yourdiabeticcat.com
www.catinfo.org
www.catnutrition.org

It's up to us to educate ourselves and be informed, because the vets get NO nutritional training in university. Thus they are NOT EQUIPPED to advise about nutrition, despite the fact that they PUSH veterinary dry kibble that is causing so many illnesses in cats....cats are dying like flies because of dry cat food...
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2007, 01:10:54 PM »

Catgirl,

I agree with you that vets get little nutritional training at the university. Same as medical doctors. However, lots of things floating around the net, including various recipes for raw food, are not a balanced diet either. There is anectodal evidence that raw is better, there is no scientific evidence. There is no good evidence in favour of dry either, since most of the existing studies have been funded by pet food companies. Websites only are not sufficient evidence that something is true. All information needs to be critically evaluated, and often there is no one single Truth.

There are few other things to consider. Some cats stubbornly refuse to eat what is good for them. Some purebreed cats have difficulty digesting raw. People living in different areas have different choices. Many of the animal supplements contain fillers and additives which are worse than ingredients of premium dry foods. For some of us choices of fresh raw meat are limited. Since I live in Hong Kong, I have a choice of either feeding raw 1-2 times per week when Australian or New Zealand meat imports are just defrosted, or feeding meat raised in mainland China and possibly contaminated with bird flu and who knows what chemicals. So I feed a little bit of everything (nothing from China though!). I hope I'll manage to replace dry with freeze-dried, and have sufficient variety of protein choices since this recall has narrowed down my possible choices of foods. But that is about it how far I can and want to go, because that is what I think is best. I wish I had mroe choices when it comes to raw food, but I don't think I would be feedng homemade raw exclusively, or at least would combine homemade with raw food from commercial sources from at least two different companies and with different main sources of protein.

In my personal opinion, there is no reliable evidence to what is best. Feeding dry foods only is not a great idea in my opinion, but supplementing canned with good quality dry in the absence of good and reliable vitamin supplements is better than feeding unbalanced diet. I do not find arguments for feeding dry very convincing (i.e. increase in pet's life expectancy is likely due to being indoors and having health care rather than due to "complete and balanced" cellulose with gluten and by-products). But then I also do not find arguments for feeding raw only very convincing. "Cats have evolved to eat raw" is not a good and scientifically sound argument. Longevity is not something that tends to be optimized by evolution. Evolution optimizes the chance to live long enough to produce a number of offspring. However, longevity of the parent does not improve the chance of survival of the offspring, since they have to compete for the same food supply. I do not see how would evolution favor long life and healthy old age of an individual.

This does not mean that dry is good. Until recently, urinary tract complications and struvite crystals have been common in cats fed dry foods. And then dry food manufacturers started adding DL Methionine to it in order to acidify urine. And now the incidence of oxalate crystals is equal to incidence of struvite crystals since they have likely overdone it. Whatever you feed there are advantages and drawbacks. And there is no hard scientific evidence either way. At least I have not been aware of any. Dr. Hodgkins and Dr. pearson are great vets, however all my scientific training goes against "proof by authority". Finally, I would like to add that although I am a scientist, I am not a nutritionist. But I believe that scientific training is valuable in spotting problems in claims from "experts", since experts can be, and often are wrong.

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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2007, 01:39:56 PM »

BEFORE YOU POST again on this topic. DO SOME READING DUMMY!!!!!

This is an inappropriate response to a discussion forum post. Play nice or play elsewhere.
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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2007, 02:06:08 PM »

A post has been removed from this thread due to name calling. That is something that will not be tolerated.



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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2007, 02:07:50 PM »


Yes, some experts claim that dry food is harmful to cats, but it is hardly poisonous.  Other experts, including holistic veterinarians, animal nutritionists, and other individuals who have studied cat nutrition, have indicated that there is nothing wrong with dry food when fed in conjunction with a high quality wet food.

Dry food alone may not be the best diet for cats, but dry food fed together with wet food can be a very healthy diet.

My own anecdotal evidence (hardly scientific, but my experience nevertheless) has shown that cats can live to be 19 and 20 years of age when fed a high quality dry food, complemented by a high quality wet food.  The two cats I grew up with, who were indoor-only cats and ate dry food most of their lives, with wet food once a day, lived to be 20 years old, and 19 years old (died two months shy of his 20th birthday.)

My veterinarian here in Germany (vets over here don't have the same education as those in North America), who is a Tierarzt (veterinarian) as well as a holistic veterinarian, recommends a diet of grain-free dry food combined with wet food.  I trust her experience, knowledge and education.  My Sphynx is thriving on such a diet, as are the cats at his breeder's (a very small cattery, that only has one litter a year and focuses on health and personality in her kittens.)

The wet and dry food my cat eats are made from 100% organic ingredients, 100% free range, hormone- and antibiotic-free meat (chicken and beef) and sea-caught fish (no farmed fish).  Pet food regulations are strictly enforced here in Europe, and have been in the EU ever since the mad cow crisis.  All animal feeds, including pet food, have to be made with human-quality ingredients, and are tightly regulated and strictly controlled.  So I am not poisoning my cat by feeding him dry food.  I am giving him the best possible diet for his health.
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2007, 08:47:08 PM »

Hmmm...I think we have been through this before         
Yeah. No sh*t.

At least there are people like Caylynn who posts just a wee bit more rationally.
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I'm really starting to hate pet food companies.
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