Ingredients of Kumpi - questions

[alek0]

Some questions for Evy, I have summarized all unanswered questions from "Ingredients of Kumpi" thread to make it easier.

1. Question by Lisa_C, seconded by several people:
How is meat meal made? What is the consequence of this amount of processing?

2. Related questions by Sarah:
a) Can humans eat this meat meal without harm?  
b) Exactly what parts of the animal go into meat meal?  
c) Is meat meal made in the same facilities as rendered by products?  If not then where is it made and how is it made. 
d) Who makes the meat meal?  What condition is the meat before it is made into meat meal?

Follow up question by Alek0 - does "live kill" include diseased animals?


3. Question by Alek0:
You claim that there is a big difference between proteinates and metal amino acid chelates. Please provide evidence on significant difference in bioavailability in cats for metal amino acid chelates vs. proteinates.

4. Question by Alek0:
Is ther another benefit of Yucca Schidigera besides reducing fecal odor and smell of flatulence (not amount of gas)? If yes, please cite evidence.

Again, I am not asking about the source where you buy it from, I am asking about proofs of benefit of Yucca which would justify your singling it out as a significant point of comparison with other pet foods.
5. Question by Alek0:
Which is better - chicken liver meal or freeze dried chicken liver?

6. Question by Alek0:
OK, formula is proprietary, you can't give the ratio of amino acid chelates to inorganic mineral sources. But surely you can explain why you use inorganic mineral sources at all when amino aci chelates are so superior?

Is there any reason for use of two ingredients one of which is even by your own claims clearly inferior, rather than one?

7. Question by Sarah:
I would like to get answers to my other questions, among them - you mentioned it is against the law or the FDA rules that dogs and cats cannot be used in pet food.  I looked for this law or rule but couldn't find anything about it.

[Therese]

If Evy has time, I assume she will answer the questions. If she does not, please contact her privately.

[Robert]

Hi, I'm new to posting here and want to add a question to alek0's list: What lab did you use for the guaranteed analysis of the pet food?  Also, I saw in your blog on the kumpi website that you still need to get an analysis done on one of the dog foods.  Is this done yet?

Thank you, Rob

[mgt818]

Evy,
I was wondering, I am not sure if you have already posted this or not or if it is in any of your other infromation and I am just missing it...  but what are the ratio's of the omega fatty acids in the dog food adult formula?  I know that you mention the omega 6 but was wondering the %'s  of both the 6 and 3 to balance each other off.

[Magwheelz]

I read the other thread and now this one. While her food sounds good...it's very odd to me that she didn't know the answers to the "meal" questions(among others)...and was going to post answers she got from her lab tech or whoever.  Still no answers..although I wonder if, as posted in the other thread, the new formulation/upgraded website will show they don't use the ingredients anymore that people were questioning her on.

[sylvia]

Evy did answer the meat meal question on 5/05/07, reply # 56. As for any other questions, she gives out her phone number and email plus has a site of her own. Evy does not need me or anyone else to speak for her.
                                            
HOWEVER, why would I continue to buy a dog food I am very happy with, and more importantly my dogs are very happy with, if the company changed their formula every time a couple of pet owners demanded a change on a forum like this?  How silly would that be?

[Karen V]

Wondering about the AAFCO Life Stages thing.  Not posted on site - is it on the bag?

[Magwheelz]

Sylvia..thanks for directing me to that particular post. I guess it answers MY questions regarding it(meal involves lots of HEAT-)..but I recall someone else not seeming to get direct responses to his/her questions(I have no desire to reread it all).  And then the whole point of THIS thread 

I realize Therese has no problem with Evy using this place to direct people to her website or to just email or call her instead..but I agree with some of the others that said if you're going to come here you're better off just responding here.  Whether there's another motive or not..it's just what this forum is for

To your question...it'd be silly. 

[robfdavis1971]

Due to time issues jumping from board to board, I believe that is why Evy has created her own blog for people to get their questions answered. This way, she doesn't have to spend the time cross posting and she can focus on her day to day operations. In the beginning it was easy for her to go from board to board but with so many questions from concerned pet owners due to Menu Foods and other companies recalls, she told me she really had to refocus her efforts and find an avenue that better utilizes her time and her ability to operate her company effectively.

A link to her blog is at http://www.kumpi.com. It has some good information.

Robert

[sylvia]

Hi Robert,
I think those who have had so many "concerns" and "questions" have always been well aware that Evy answers ALL emails and phone calls promptly. Her site is very informative as well. This is one dog food I have not even a second of concern about.  I would not worry about people who won't do the obvious and contact her personally as perhaps finding a safe, high quality pet food is not their  main priority.
Sylvia 

[oneviperone]

Interested in where the food is made?  Source of first five ingredients?  I am sure someone is very informed and can give me these answers.  The company will not reply to these questions, Why?  Dog Food marketing companies that do not make the product have no control over the source of the ingredients.  As we are finding out the companies making the food are the final decision maker in where the ingredients come from.  Dog food companies do not have the space, time or desire to single source items for small companies.  The extruders are running 24/7 and the silos are full of items for all the co packed foods.  To change in the middle of the day is unheard of.  Corn source is just that a source.  Please give me the pleasure of your response from someone who knows, for I know the truth and the answer.  Thanks

[eternaljester81]

Um, if you KNOW the truth and the answer, then why are you asking?

[Tommyboy]

Yeah, I would like the truth and the answer, too.

[Tommyboy]

Proof is in the pudding. 8 years feeding this and dogs are perfect. I wouldn't switch if someone paid me to.
Nor will I ever forgive and forget what these pet food companies did to animals and animal owners. If any of you bastards still come here, Yuck Fou.

[Tommyboy]

Some questions for Evy, I have summarized all unanswered questions from "Ingredients of Kumpi" thread to make it easier.

1. Question by Lisa_C, seconded by several people:
How is meat meal made? What is the consequence of this amount of processing?

2. Related questions by Sarah:
a) Can humans eat this meat meal without harm?  
b) Exactly what parts of the animal go into meat meal?  
c) Is meat meal made in the same facilities as rendered by products?  If not then where is it made and how is it made. 
d) Who makes the meat meal?  What condition is the meat before it is made into meat meal?

Follow up question by Alek0 - does "live kill" include diseased animals?


3. Question by Alek0:
You claim that there is a big difference between proteinates and metal amino acid chelates. Please provide evidence on significant difference in bioavailability in cats for metal amino acid chelates vs. proteinates.

4. Question by Alek0:
Is ther another benefit of Yucca Schidigera besides reducing fecal odor and smell of flatulence (not amount of gas)? If yes, please cite evidence.

Again, I am not asking about the source where you buy it from, I am asking about proofs of benefit of Yucca which would justify your singling it out as a significant point of comparison with other pet foods.
5. Question by Alek0:
Which is better - chicken liver meal or freeze dried chicken liver?

6. Question by Alek0:
OK, formula is proprietary, you can't give the ratio of amino acid chelates to inorganic mineral sources. But surely you can explain why you use inorganic mineral sources at all when amino aci chelates are so superior?

Is there any reason for use of two ingredients one of which is even by your own claims clearly inferior, rather than one?

7. Question by Sarah:
I would like to get answers to my other questions, among them - you mentioned it is against the law or the FDA rules that dogs and cats cannot be used in pet food.  I looked for this law or rule but couldn't find anything about it.

Fess up. Which pet food company did you work for?