On Itchmo: Corn gluten w/Cyanuric acid intercepted in Canada

[SunHawk]

The corn gluten also tested positive for melamine. 

http://www.itchmo.com/read/corn-gluten-sent-to-canada-test-positive-for-two-toxins_20070525

[Davis]

Do any of us honestly think this all just started?  It's just that they are tested for it now, but think how many years they were not testing for it, but it was in there in some amount.  I have no doubt that my cat has consumed food tainted in some way, as have most of our pets on commercial foods.  God knows how much their health will be affected as time goes on, or how much their lives will be shortened. 

[alibluenc]

The corn gluten also tested positive for melamine. 

http://www.itchmo.com/read/corn-gluten-sent-to-canada-test-positive-for-two-toxins_20070525

Does this mean that the corn gluten meal here could be tainted too....even with all the testing that is going on?  I'm so confused - currently feeding Hill's canned CD for crystals/high ph.  Even though I'm not happy with feeding this it is working - ph is coming down which is great.  However, I looked at the can last night and there is CORN GLUTEN MEAL listed. 

[Cindy Nevarez]

I don't think so.
Basically it was just a matter of time waiting for something drastic to happen for us to "find out" what's REALLY in the food.

[Cindy Nevarez]

You couldn't pay me to feed Hills...sick animal or not.

I think if you look at what the "good" ingredients are in that CD food...if there is such a thing...that is what your animal is thriving on. Then find a better food to duplicate those good ingredients...that's your ticket.

[Jay Jay]

Cindy Nevarez typed:

You couldn't pay me to feed Hills...sick animal or not.

Same here. My dog has hated kibble until we switched to Kumpi
& EVO RM.

She even likes EVO as a treat and ignores her previous favorite Milk Bone.
She has hated Iams, Nutro & Hill's dries for 10 years.

FWIW she liked a sample pack of Breeder's Choice dry.

Jay Jay (not jj)

[empire]

I think Hills was the worst food I ever let my cats eat. 

[Davis]

You couldn't pay me to feed Hills...sick animal or not.

Same here!  That food is serious junk, but this poor pet owner is confused and our rants about this food are probably not going to help much.  It looks like maybe alibluenc left already.  I hope he/she comes back.   

I think if you look at what the "good" ingredients are in that CD food...if there is such a thing...that is what your animal is thriving on. Then find a better food to duplicate those good ingredients...that's your ticket.

Good idea Cindy.  Alibluenc, you might want to consider finding as many resources as possible...maybe even some reputable websites that specialize in alternative ways to treat that condition, and see if you can get some help to find healthier foods that will duplicate the effects without compromising the cat's overall health.  There are also some knowledgeable people on this forum who have treated their cats for this condition and might be able to help.  I know it's confusing and it's a difficult decision to change a pet's food when they seem to be doing so well on it, but just keep in mind that there are healthier alternatives.

[alibluenc]

You couldn't pay me to feed Hills...sick animal or not.

Same here!  That food is serious junk, but this poor pet owner is confused and our rants about this food are probably not going to help much.  It looks like maybe alibluenc left already.  I hope he/she comes back.   

I think if you look at what the "good" ingredients are in that CD food...if there is such a thing...that is what your animal is thriving on. Then find a better food to duplicate those good ingredients...that's your ticket.

Good idea Cindy.  Alibluenc, you might want to consider finding as many resources as possible...maybe even some reputable websites that specialize in alternative ways to treat that condition, and see if you can get some help to find healthier foods that will duplicate the effects without compromising the cat's overall health.  There are also some knowledgeable people on this forum who have treated their cats for this condition and might be able to help.  I know it's confusing and it's a difficult decision to change a pet's food when they seem to be doing so well on it, but just keep in mind that there are healthier alternatives.

HI Guys,

Thanks for the comments....I'm still here and still confused.  I understand everyone's frustration so I don't take it personally.  I did try a combo of wet/dry this week (with extra water added to boot - distilled even).  For canned I choose PetPromise and for dry, California Natural.  Yes, I know PetPromise is tied to Purina but the canned food indgredient list is pretty good.  I have talked to them more than once and I have to say they have been exceptionally patient and kind and have gone the extra mile to be helpful.   They know their products and they can tell you where the indredients come from - I think that says alot given the last 2 months we've just come through.  (Cal Natural folks were exceptional too).  However, after a week of this combo I tested the ph again this morning and it was back up to over 7.0 so I'm terribly disappointed.  I did call Hill's this week too and was assured that their corn gluten meal is from the US.   That helps a little.  So, it looks like we are back to Hill's again at least til we get rid of the crystals.  Has anyone out there tried Vitamin C and/or cranberry tablets as a urine acidifier?  Seems like it would make sense to use a good quality food and add these rather than using a food that is less than great?

Thanks!

[Davis]

Hi  alibluenc,

I'm glad to see you're see out there, but sorry to hear that your cat has regressed on a different food.  Cal Natural is a good food as far as dry goes, but maybe not the best for your cat's condition.  I wish I could answer your questions.  I would definitely try posting about ways to treat the urine ph, foods to try, and any other questions you have about the condition in the "General Cat Health Discussion" forum.  Your questions are likely to go unnoticed in this category.  I'm sure there are some members who can help.  Stick around...there's lots of good info here. 

[jenny]

I have a cat that recently was diagnosed with crystals and high ph - although in our case they may be related to the stress of the vet visit.  Have you tried using all canned foods?  From the reading I've done, it seems many cats get better on a diet of all canned - whether it it is prescription or not.   The cans provide the needed water a cat with crystals needs, and a high protein will help with the high ph. 

We are still working with our cat so can't say what exactly works as we do need another urine test but we are feeding ours all canned.  He turned his nose up at the Hills s/d after about a week so we now have him on Wellness and EVO - both canned.  We are also giving ours an anti anxiety pill before his next visit.  In our case their is a correlation between his ph/amount of crystals and the length of his vet visit.  The last time we took him in his bladder was dry so they held him for 4 hours.  His urine test was ph 8 with moderate crystals.  They told me he was completly stressed the entire time he was there.  The first test when they could draw right away was ph of 7 with only a rare crystal - the vet wasn't actually even concerned after that because he was so stressed and the sample sat for an hour.   So, we have some additional testing to do.  Ours shows no signs of litter box problems - the ph/crystals were initially found as part of a routine exam and profile.

[Davis]

Alibluenc, I'm sure you've already seen this, but I thought this thread might be helpful to you:
http://thepetfoodlist.com/forums/index.php?topic=405.0

[caseyandpeanut]

I seems that, we may have been feeding our pets with poison for quite sometime now without knowing it .....

I think we are on the right track by voicing it out & let as many people know about it! ....

who knows... human foods which have some form of glutens ... maybe poisonous too ...