Plant -The modern day witch hunt!

[Truth B known]

To all you bloggers and conspirators trying to figure out the
"truth"; The reason pet food companies are choosing not to disclose
their manufacturing plants is because if they do, and one of the brands
produced at a common plant has an issue, you will be the first to drag
all the other brands through the mud.
    We challenge you to look at the products in your cupboard that you
feed your family. Do you really think the companies listed on the
packaging actually produces the ingredients at their own plants? Please
realize that the products you eat and drink everyday are mostly made by
co-packers! This has been a major common practice for decades, so why
all the heat on the pet industry?
    Don't you think also there are many unethical companies out there
that do nothing but pay people to write crap on blogs and in chat rooms
to belittle or create doubt about their competitors?

[Tommyboy]

You know what, this post is right. This whole thing isnt just about pet food. There is big problems in our entire food industry that need to be addressed. We are being sold junk, and feeding it to our families, our pets...Thanks for opening our eyes, "Truth".
As for dragging co-packed brands through the mud: If people would have dragged these brands through the mud to BEGIN with, maybe a couple of dogs or cats would be alive. People unknowingly switched from one tainted product to another to another. The industry kept saying "sorry about that, here, this one is safe." No no. The mud dragging should have begun long ago.


Oh, and for a look at the unethical companies, just go to the recall list. Nobody even needs to talk about them in forums. The proof is in the melamine. And all the cats and dogs that are dead and/or dying.

[Cindy Nevarez]

When we are being fed sub-standard food, our pets are being fed poisoned food, and on top of that information is deliberately withheld from us, withheld from the media, and CFOs sell their stock in those companies only hours before s**t hits the fan....I tell you what WE don't owe those companies a damn thing! 

Whatever, inundation of calls or emails that distracts them from continuing status quo, and assuming we can continue to be duped by that is small potatoes compared to what kind of real "witch hunt" we'd really like to do to those people.

Don't you think that every one of us here had predicted everything that had subsequently occurred after the first recall...only wishing and hoping it wouldn't be true...and yet every single thing DID happen just as we feared. Don't you think that every person here who has a dead or dying animal wished and prayed with all their might that things didn't play out as they did?

I ask you WHO are the ones really  being hunted here?

[Davis]

We challenge you to look at the products in your cupboard that you
feed your family. Do you really think the companies listed on the
packaging actually produces the ingredients at their own plants? Please
realize that the products you eat and drink everyday are mostly made by
co-packers! This has been a major common practice for decades, so why
all the heat on the pet industry?

I don't think there is anyone here who doesn't already know those things. There has actually been quite a bit of discussion about the food supply as a whole.  But at the moment, we are dealing with thousands of dead pets, not humans.  You can be sure that if there were thousands of dead humans, the heat from society would be much greater.  Most of society actually seems somewhat oblivious to the pet food situation, so I don't see a lot of heat overall. 

Don't you think also there are many unethical companies out there
that do nothing but pay people to write crap on blogs and in chat rooms
to belittle or create doubt about their competitors?

Yes, we are well aware of that. In fact, we are well aware that we never know for sure "who" is posting any these messages.  But there are no companies on this forum who are exempt from either criticism or praise.

[garypen]

Don't you think also there are many unethical companies out there
that do nothing but pay people to write crap on blogs and in chat rooms
to belittle or create doubt about their competitors?

Or to defend them.

[Davis]

Or to defend them.

Amen to that Gary!   It goes both ways.  Defend or pitch their own, or belittle another. 

[garypen]

I was making a comment more about "truth b known"s own post.

[Davis]

Yes, I know (sometimes there are things unspoken).
I was adding to the context.

[Mary K]

The reason pet food companies are choosing not to disclose
their manufacturing plants is because if they do, and one of the brands
produced at a common plant has an issue, you will be the first to drag
all the other brands through the mud.

In the beginning, we tiptoed through the mud, carrying those other brands we so needed to trust. Cindy is so correct; and she's been around here longer than just about anyone! It has been a war zone, with our side having the fatalities. All the companies are losing is money.
   

We challenge you to look at the products in your cupboard that you feed your family. Do you really think the companies listed on the
packaging actually produces the ingredients at their own plants?

We already know the difference between "Made in USA" and "Product of USA" And what you have here is a group of highly intelligent folks who love their animals more than themselves.
 

This has been a major common practice for decades, so why
all the heat on the pet industry?

We are just starting with the pet industry. You think this is heat? Wait until we get this straightened out. Hell's fire when one of our family members dies...
   

Don't you think also there are many unethical companies out there
that do nothing but pay people to write crap on blogs and in chat rooms
to belittle or create doubt about their competitors?

We are getting really good at sniffing those people out, and can usually see right through them.
By the way, we welcome your opinion. Do you have a pet of your own?

[Cindy Nevarez]

Thanks Mary,

BTW, 'Truth' said in another post she's been feeding her 'girls' Candidae...so she's got dogs, and obviously thinks that that food is defensible to 'something.'

[Mary K]

Guess I should clarify, too, that I am and have been using Felidae dry for one of my cats for about 6 weeks, now. It is the only thing I will use commercially since the recall started; my other 2 get home-cooked.

PS: I do realize, especially by reading the other blogs, that we have all had enough of this. It doesn't take much to make anyone "go-off" and every night I pray for peace and an end to this misery, for everyone.

[willyagogo]

Truth B.....

I don't who you are.....I only wish I was telling you what I'm about to say.....in person!

Witch hunt? .....Witch hunt?.....

Have you no empathy? You obviously don't give the "bloggers or conspirators", as you call them, credit for getting this out in the first place! You make us sound like a bunch of "trouble-makers and kooks!".....hmmmm....something that the guilty parties have been doing for awhile now......to save their financial ass*s!

"WE" challenge you?...."WE?"........who is "we" if I may boldly ask? Well...as for your "challenge", I personally, have been reading labels way before the recalls, so you can take your "challenge" and place it where the Sun don't shine!

Maybe there wouldn't be so many questions asked if the Petffod companies were more honest and forth-coming in the first place.....oh, as well as maybe tell the truth!....Maybe you should ask yourself "why" there are companies changing their lists of ingredients during these recalls?.......Bottom line, they are the ones making themselves look bad!

Since the "FIRST".....now let me repeat that for you..FIRST....batch of recalls, I've been cooking at home for my dogs.....I knew it would get worse....and I and all the "witchhunters" as you so delicately put them....knew it too, and "SCIENCE" has proven us right! Or, do people with sick or dying pets not have the right to the scientific evidence thus far?

You make it sound like "the people who simply want the truth to their questions", are the bad guys here and we should keep our opinions to ourselves to appease the PFI!..........Why shouldn't we be able to question the very industry that took our money while sitting back and not saying a damn thing.....while MORE pets die? Are the companies, whose QC is obviously flawed.....paying everyone's Vet bills BTW?

Witch hunt?.........Although you, like others, have the right to express your opinion, I have to say.....your's is one of the most "warped" opinions I have encountered on here to date!.......Imo, for you to defend the PFI, in ANY way....makes you very suspect........

Either that......or you're just like other cowards who won't stand up for what is our God given right as consumers. Not only is your post on this thread cold.....but it will undoubtedly invite some confrontation!

Maybe it is a good thing afterall......that I'm not telling you this in person!

Have a good day!!

[willyagogo]

Oh...silly me.....

I forgot to thank Davis, garypen, Cindy, Mary and Tommyboy for their points that were very well made.......

[FranciscoLABS]

Thanks Mary,

BTW, 'Truth' said in another post she's been feeding her 'girls' Candidae...so she's got dogs, and obviously thinks that that food is defensible to 'something.'

As concerned parents we want only the best for our babies. I was turned on to this site/forum due to the recent recalls.  I guess I always assumed Pet Food companies made their own foods. At first, I was amazed but it really does make sense and even in the grocery stores there are a lot of "private label" foods. 

It does seem like there is a lot of companies that fiddle around with less quality ingredients.  In my research, I noticed most of these recalled companies did break up their grains in the ingredient list.  Like the rice; rice gluten, rice hulls ( Hulls for g-sake) and etc AND I never trust any food with wheat or corn!  I've been feeding Canidae for years and have never had a problem.  All my babies are fed Canidae from puppies to seniors.  Its a easy food to feed, less hassle less waste (Both in time and ****)!

Reading a lot of the various post it does seem like we're in a frendzy and maybe it is a little overdone.  I hate to admit it but the funny thing about this is I care more about my pets nutrition than my own. 

With that said I have a lot of research to do!  Boy do I have much work!

[willyagogo]

FranciscoLab....

If your pets are doing well on the Canidae...that's good! But just in case you are worried about that particular product...keep an ear open about it and I would advise you to contact them with any questions that you have every right as a consumer, to ask.

Of course it's been a frenzy!.....Some people are tired of sitting aroung waiting and wondering what the next recall will be....because we want to protect our pets!

As for over-done.....I don't know about that! It's coverage by the Media..has been so "under-done"....that many people need a forum on which to speak and reveal their experiences to others who will hopefully listen with an open mind and heart.

I've seen many "positive" comments on certain brands....such as your's for instance.....that is what this forum is also all about! But....it is only logical....that for the "good guys" to stand out.....the "bad" (whomever they be) will be revealed .....and thanks to blogs and forums......it will eventually. But until then...there will be people that become increasingly curious about those companies that remain silent still........to wonder why!

The only thing that I see truly over-done.....is the length of time it's taking for all the poisonous petfood brands to trickle out......info that could have been saving pets lives a while back......