Pied Piper and Canidae Dry

[Mary K]

Does anyone here know exactly what is going on between Canidae and Pied Piper? Apparently they are now refusing to claim the other makes/is made by one another. Pied Piper recently asked to have their name removed from the list as being Canidae's manufacturer. There is quite a stew going on about it over on Itchmo right now. I was sure someone here would already have the scoop. Thanks, Mary     

[Hannah_sMom]

Mary K,
Could you please provide a link to the debate going on? I've been feeding the Canidae to my boy, and the Pied Piper/Canidae link was the only concern I had.
Thanks.

[Truth B known]

his type of misinformation is why pet food plants probably want to remain anonymous. Please, if your going to post, post the FACTS. Canine Caviar listed Pied Piper as their DRY FOOD producer. Because the public has a hard time reading the facts, and the list was not clear that the CANS manufactured for Caviar were recalled NOT the dry food, the plant was probably inundated by calls. Also people can't wait to "pool" companies together to make sure the all fail. I have fed Canidae to my girls for years with great resluts.

[Summer]

Question to Therese.

Is it true that Pied Piper is asking to taken off your list or is that just a rumor??  I wanted to get it straight from you first to set the record straight about this.

[Therese]

Hopefully this will clear things up a bit...

I do not know who manufactures Canidae - we have never had Pied Piper listed as their manufacturer.

Please see the website for an update: http://thepetfoodlist.com/petfoods_pg1.htm


Therese

[Mary K]

Hanna_smom, Here is Itchmo's blog, but it is a long read-267 posts today!!

http://www.itchmo.com/read/breaking-news-menu-foods-recall-expands-dramatically-due-to-cross-contamination_20070502

Truth B known, I just asked a question, since it was all over the place there. I don't think I made any false statements.

[FranciscoLABS]

Does anyone here know exactly what is going on between Canidae and Pied Piper? Apparently they are now refusing to claim the other makes/is made by one another. Pied Piper recently asked to have their name removed from the list as being Canidae's manufacturer. There is quite a stew going on about it over on Itchmo right now. I was sure someone here would already have the scoop. Thanks, Mary     

I pulled this from The Pet Food List this morning:
"Editor's Note 5/04/07: The dry food plant (Pied Piper) asked to be removed from this list due to the fact that people misinterpreted the statement about the Canine Caviar recall. They later asked for us to add a clarification: Pied Piper only manufactures Canine Caviar's DRY foods, none of which have been recalled. NO Pied Piper products have been recalled as of 5/04/07. Pied Piper states, "The dry plants relationships are very unique and different to each customer, and very difficult to just list their names. All ingredients are uniquely customized to our customer owned formulas."

Canine Caviar has recalled 3 cans of wet food, which is NOT manufactured by Pied Piper. Please see the Canine Caviar website for information on the cans that have been recalled."

Its Canine Caviar, not Canidae.  It seems like Pied Piper is one of the good ones.  I've never heard of the food, where is it sold?

[ally]

About a week ago, there was a discussion about Canidae, Pied Piper, etc., over at Itchmo.  I found the old discussion and posted it yesterday at Itchmo in this thread at 4:08pm.  I quoted a person known as "Boutique Owner" from a discussion we had on April 29th.

Here is a copy of her replies:

Boutique Owner Says:
April 29th, 2007 at 10:24 am

“Canidae is made my Pied Piper in Texas. Pied Piper also makes DRY Canine Caviar and Nature’s Variety. The Canidae cans are done by Evangers. Canidae is a very small company, only 18 employees, I think. No stock holders to answer to, no need to cut corners to save a fraction of a penny.

The fact that they will disclose their manufacturers tells me that they are proud of their choices and have nothing to hide.

All their ingredients come from the U.S. only. Even their rice is grown down South in the U.S. No glutens, hormones, preservatives, etc.”

In responding to my query of how she obtained this information, she replied:

Boutique Owner Says:
April 29th, 2007 at 11:02 am

“I found out the source of manufacturing from my Canidae representative. He has no reason to not be truthful about it. He also told me that Pied Piper manufactures the Canine Caviar dry but their wet is manufactured by American Nutrition. Different state, different company manufacturing it.

I was completely impressed when I found out that Evangers does their cans. They have a fabulous reputation for running a very clean cannery. Yes, they are Kosher and they have organic capabilities as well. ”

After my above reply, Kim from Pet Food Tracker, greatly helped us out by posted this info regarding Canidae & Pied Piper:

Pied Piper makes SOME of Canine Caviar’s food - NOT all of it. American Nutrition made the Canine Caviar food that was recalled.
So, while Pied Piper are acting like jerks, they have in fact had NO food recalled (yet).

I have no idea why Canidae isn't being forthcoming about where their food is manufactured.  Is it contractual or ?  I agree it is suspicious.  I haven't called Canidae myself because my dogs have been doing fine.  Maybe it's time I do so? 

I've been feeding Canidae kibble to my dogs for about a week now and both are doing great:  healthy, shiny coats and amazing labrador-type energy.  I began using this food after doing research and a friend's referral who's been feeding it to her female lab in training for the Guide Dogs of America (GDA).  Her lab has been eating Canidae dry her entire almost one year life & is beyond healthy.  My friend also told me Canidae is the chosen food of the GDA.  That doesn't mean it won't get recalled, but I'm crossing my fingers, toes & tail it does not.  My labs love the food.  I can barely get the scoop out of the bag with them hovering about.  With me weighing in at about 100lbs, it isn't easy with 2 strong male labs frolicking about, LOL.  In the meantime, I've begun learning about home cooking to be prepared.  I mix a bit of home cooked into my dog's kibble & they go stark raving nuts.

I truly hope Canidae is ok.  I don't think I trust anyone any more.  But I wanted to share this info in case it's of help to any of you.  Wishing all of your pets the safest of health.

[Mary K]

Thank you so much for summarizing that, Ally, and saving my butt.   
It was so strange to read all of those Itchmo comments yesterday on that subject and then hop over here to the Forum and see not a word on it. Things sometimes get misconstrued as we go by word of blog, but for the most part I think everyone does a good job at relaying info.

[ally]

Mary, you are most welcome.
By sharing our compiled info, we will get through this nightmare.

I already have enough people who think I've "lost it" by being consumed reading the blogs, forums, etc.
I could give a rat's patootie.

If our sharing of information helps save even one pet's life, it will all have been so worth it.

[FranciscoLABS]

Mary, you are most welcome.
By sharing our compiled info, we will get through this nightmare.

I already have enough people who think I've "lost it" by being consumed reading the blogs, forums, etc.
I could give a rat's patootie.

If our sharing of information helps save even one pet's life, it will all have been so worth it.

Thanks for the info.  There does seem to be a lot of good and bad info on the net but its OUR job to uncover what's real and what's not.  I rely on my local pet store, they seem to be pretty up to date on the latest recall info (and Lord knows they'd be the first to know it something EVER happened to my babies!)

Im sure there are some contractual agreements btw Pied Piper and whomever (IE. the correction on Canine Caviar dry food).   My babies are doing fine on Canidae, and I'll stick to it until the facts tell me different. 

Again Ally, thanks for the info. 

[Danielle]

I'm glad to see that Pied Piper explained why they pulled the listing. I'm sure they and Canidae were inundated with calls and e-mails yesterday. I've been defending Canidae and their secrecy for a while now because I was pretty certain where their food was made and I have a legal background so I get confidentiality agreements. I just don't understand why they are doing such a poor job of PR during this mess. I too am sticking with Canidae and Evangers because I don't see anything better out there. I was looking at Orijen, but the high protein and "meals" scare me off. Don't like Kumpi's ingredients although Evy has been forthcoming on the blogs. Not ready to go raw. So until there is a problem with Canidae, I'm just chalking it up to a small company with no PR department not prepared to handle this crisis.

[debsue]

Danielle, I agree 100% with what you said.  I'm not overly concerned about the secrecy, as I believe it has to do with confidentiality agreements, but it does bother me a bit, and I don't necessarily understand why they don't agree now, in light of everything that's going on, to just admit the relationship and move on.  Maybe Pied Piper is worried that they would then feel forced to disclose all the other brands they make?  Not that they have anything to hide, just that it could be a hassle for them, or some of their other brands don't want anyone to know that they don't produce it themselves.

Canidae definitely could do a better job of PR right now.  I sent them an email suggesting that they update the statement about the recall on their webpage more frequently, just to let us know that they're staying on top of things.  I've been checking their website at least once or twice EVERY DAY, and the only thing that's changed is the date at the top of the message. 

I've had my 2 shih tzus on Canidae for a couple weeks now and plan to keep them on it unless something new comes up to scare me off.  (Although, my little girl developed a half dollar sized hot spot on her neck, which I wouldn't have expected with the skin and coat conditioners...  Could be an allergy, or she got nicked last week at the groomer...  I'm hoping that's all it is...)

[Hannah_sMom]

Thanks, Mary K, ally, debsue, danielle, Francisco, et al,
I never had much of a problem with Canidae, except that I couldn't get it locally for a long time. Now I can. And MAN AM I GLAD!!!! If they're eating it, I'm feeding it!!
This one I trust, totally.

[terri]

I called them yesterday at Canidae, she said that they manufacturer their dry food their and outsource their wet food. When I asked the name of the manufacturer she said they are not allowed to say. I really thought this would be a good food but now I am very concerned. I don't understand why they won't say. I am feeding them Solid Gold and neither of them like it very much. Why can't they say who their manufacturer is but most of the other dog food company's can. I don't mean that nasty I just don't understand that. I am thinking of trying the Evangers. I hate this!!
Terri