Nature's Logic

[Lisa M]

Has anyone used Nature's Logic dog or cat food?

[alek0]

I have decided not to try, due to ingredient "animal plasma", which can be anything.

See for example ingredients for rabbit dry cat food:
Rabbit

Ingredients:
Rabbit Meal, Millet, Chicken, Montmorillonite, Brewer’s Yeast, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Spray Dried Chicken Liver, Pumpkin Seed, Animal Plasma, Kelp, Natural Flavor, Cottage Cheese, Suncured Alfalfa Meal, Egg Shell, Avocado, Chicory Root, Tomato Powder, Almonds, Spray Dried Cod Liver Oil, Apple Powder, Blueberry, Apricots, Carrots, Pumpkin, Cranberry, Broccoli, Spinach, Parsley, Artichoke, Rosemary, Fermentation Products (Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product,  Bifidobacterium Bifidium Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Streptococcus Faecium Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Lactobacillus Sporogenes Fermentation Product Dehydrated), Enzymes (Amylase, Protease, Lipase, Cellulase, Bromelain), Mixed Tocopherols.
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Also, I'm not too happy about tomato powder, artichokes etc. in cat food. Well, at least no garlic, but that "animal plasma" is definitely suspicious.

[Lisa M]

 :oBelow is taken from Nature's Logic website.  I'm not sure what to do now.  I recently began feeding this from Wellness b/c Wellness, at least in part is made by American Nutrition, the company who has been depositing Rice Protein into any food they feel like apparently with out the Pet food brand knowing about it.  My cats do like it.  What's the deal about artichokes and tomatoe powder?  Why are these ingredients bad?  If anyone has fouind the perfect cat/dog food, please share.   

What is “animal plasma” and what is the source?
"In nature, dogs and cats are meat eating predators, what scientists call carnivores. When wild dogs or cats consume their prey they eat the entire animal, including hair, bones, entrails, BLOOD, stomach contents, etc. The animal blood is as natural a part of a carnivore’s diet as the meat and bone consumed from prey.
 
No life exists without blood, and the nutrients it provides as part of the diet of carnivorous animals is essential. Nature’s Logic's animal plasma is a highly palatable food (spray dried blood with red cells removed) composed of high levels of important albumin and globulin proteins. In the wild, carnivores do not eat diets supplemented by chemically synthesized vitamins and minerals. The Nature's Logic animal plasma is an important natural food ingredient which supplies natural sources of iron, sodium, chloride, potassium, calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, numerous vitamins, and over 18 amino acids. These nutrients found naturally in animal blood plasma play a huge role in creating a safer and more natural diet without the need for potentially toxic chemically synthesized supplements. Besides supplying these nutrients naturally, research shows this product increases palatability of food, reduces stool volume due to increased digestibility, improves stool quality versus control diets, significantly improves fiber and phosphorus digestion, and enhances immune response in dogs vaccinated for Parvo. Sources are bovine for domestic product and porcine for exported product. The product is collected at USDA meat processing plants and is further processed at state of the art facilities in Iowa and Kansas."

[alek0]

Well, I still don't like that ingredient, simply due to lack of quality control and non-specific ingredients. They list lots of fancy claims with no evidence, so it seems to me that this is mainly about finding some use for slaughterhouse waste (i.e. blood). They say that red blood cells are removed, what about white blood cells, cancer cells, bacteria, viruses, etc?

As for artichokes and tomato powder, those are ingredients to mainly appeal the pet guardian (i.e. we tend to associate them with healthy food). They are not necessary for cats. Tomato vines are toxic to cats, not sure about tomato itself, and not sure what parts of the plant tomato powder contains. Since cats are obligatory carnivores and quite different from humans, it is best if the food contains minimal number of fruit/vegetable ingredients, and those should preferrably be from sources with proven no toxicity to cats.

Alas, I have not found perfect cat food yet. I am feeding Timberwolf Serengeti, my cats are doing well on it, but I hope I can find something better, and I intend to replace it with freeze-dried foods instead of kibble.

[nepeta]

According to the "who makes what" list, Nature's Logic is manufactured by Tejas Industries, same as Merricks.  Check Merricks forum for more info on their manufacturing philosophy.

[Lisa M]

aleko - thanks for the info.  Now I'm considering withdrawing this food too.  However, people feed their animals raw food.  I even give my cats and dogs a piece or two of raw beef every now and then.  There is blood on raw meat-do you think this is any different then the blood plasma or whatever its called in Nature's Logic.  My pet store guy was raving about how good this food was b/c it does not use any synthetic vitamins.  All necessary vitamins/nutrients are derived naturally from food sources.  Pet store guy said that the owner of Nature's Logic was with another company, but was frustrated by the amount of synthetic vitamins put in pet food, so he left and started his own company-Nature's Logic.  I called the company a few weeks ago to ask where the food was made and the woman who answered said that it was made in Crosswinds, Kansas.  After that phone call, I saw a post on howl911.com, which states that Nature's Logic canned food was made by Menu Foods as confirmed by the president of the company.  I left an angry voice mail message and e-mail to the company.  The next day, the president of the company phoned me several times and sent me several e-mails apologizing for the mistake.  He verified that the canned food is made by Menu Foods, b/c he believes it has state of the art equipment.  He also offered to give me a refund for the food I bought.  Not sure about the food, but this guy was very responsive.  He even sent me a few follow up e-mails related to recall issues.

[Ziggy]

I just returned home from the pet store where I purchase from dog/cat food.  The owner and I were discussing Natura’s non-response to the Acetaminophen & Cyanuric Acid detected in Innova Adult Dog food. I told him that IMO it most likely was in the vitamin premix purchased from China.
Since Pet’s Pride and Hills Science cat dry  (diet & Sensitive stomach) lab reports show Acetaminophen and CA they most likely have the same vitamin supplier as Innova.

Since we were talking about vitamins, he told me that the Representative from Nature’s Logic told him that they buy their vitamins from a US source, not from China. My response, "This Rep was most likely giving you a line of BS, as there are no US makers of vitamins and that all the pet food mfg’s buy their vitamins from China.

I asked,  “Who do they use for their canned food.”
He said, “The Rep would not tell me because they didn’t want their competitors to find out and start using them.”
My response, “Bigger BS, this is nonsense”.  They all know everything about their competitors, it’s like that in any particular industry”
He said,  “The Rep assured me that is was not Menu or anyone from China.”

This pet store owner told me that this Brand was a slow mover due to how expensive it is and that he won’t be carrying/selling this brand for much longer.  That he didn’t like all the ‘powdered’ ingredients.

Since I wasn’t at all familiar the Nature’s Logic brand,  I came here to see what other people have been told and to share what this pet store owner told me today.

[Lisa M]

I have been feeding my dogs and cats Nature's Logic dry for a few months with no problems.  Tried their canned food for the cats and they hated it.  A stray kitty is no feasing on it each night.  The cats have been on canned wellness for years with no problems.  Did have them on wellness dry, but switched to Nature's Logic b/c they do not add any vitamins/minerals to it--they are naturally in the food sources contained in the food.  So, I'm a little confused about the Rep's claim(as mentioned in a prior post) that all vitamins are sourced from the USA, when in fact Nature's Logic claim to fame is that they don't add any vitamins/minerals to their food.  Also, Menu does make their canned food.  Dry food is made somewhere else-can't think of the name of it right now, but they have had no problems at all with recalls.  Also, supplement my cats canned diet with Nature's Variety, Spots Stew(Halo), Evangers and Merrick & have not had any problems.  I'm also trying to get them to eat homeade and the Natures Variety raw medallions, although I am having little success--they just love to hear the click of the can opening.  Also tried giving The Honest Kitchen, but they won't go near it.  Have been feeding my dogs The Honest Kitchen for about 4 months and they have never been better & they absolutely love it.  In my opinion, The Honest Kitchen is the best brand going--if on;y they could make something my cats will actually eat.  Let me know if anyone hears anything else about Nature's Logic. 

[jenny]

I also don't like the ingredients in their food.  I don't believe that additional plasma from blood needs to be added to food and would want to see any tests that might support such an odd ingredient.  And Montmorillonite clay?  Why do my pets need to eat clay?

[eternaljester81]

According to the Pet Food List's manufacturers listing, Nature's Logic is made by Crosswinds in Sabetha, KS (also makes Kumpi and iVet), not Tejas in TX...just so you know.

[sylvia]

  Nature's logic looks like a pretty good food to me. It was my understanding that it is manufactured by Crosswinds when I looked into it some months back. Have seen nothing  negative about it.

As for montmorillonite clay, used in alternative medicine:

http://www.thepetalternative.com/Terramin-clay.html

It is also used in Koi ponds both for the health of the fish and the proper maintainance of the water.

[Offy]

I am feeding my 3 Cats the Nature's Logic dry. They most favor the Rabbit (we're on the 2nd bag of that). Since they liked the Rabbit so much, I added  the Duck and the Chicken varieties too.  The rotation dry is Organix by Castor Pollux.

They hated the Nature's Logic wet - to me it reeked of rosemary (which I hate the smell of) and it was so hard I had to cut it with a knife, so I'm glad they didn't like it LOL.

The company has responded very well to my questions.

The point of not adding vitamins to this is why I'm more comfortable with it. I am really concerned about the vitamin premixes due to the research that I have been doing.  Right now, that is what is most important to me about kibble, next to the grain/glutens.

The plasma is not a worry to me. There could be worse things in the food. Plasma is not  on my list as one of them. I may find it a disgusting thought, but then a predator killing its supper isn't going to care what I think about that either

The furkids are all doing very well and have had no problems. They all are adopted and enjoy life without Science Diet & Purina Cat Chow kibbles

[Geff]

I've been looking at this as an option for my kitty; his vet has wanted us to try Rabbit. The Avocado concerns me.

[Bonkers]

   I wanted to add that Nature's Logic does not use rabbit sourced from China in any of their pet foods. I was told all rabbit is sourced from here in the US.

  Unfortunately none of my cats would touch the canned food.