Pet Food Testing

[Truth B known]

Sorry willy, had to leave a while.
You know people. The sick twisted ones will do any thing in the name of the limelight. I beleive thats why the big labs wont take samples from the public? I've spent countless hours on the phone trying to get info out of them. E.F. Labs, S.Labs, W&T Labs, G.S. Labs. I have also found some too with open arms and Iam still investigating their motives, and making sure they use the correct method. I would really hate to pay for a test that invalid?

[Confused]

Truth,
I had to sign in and ask if there are labs for the maker of pet foods and a lab for the buyer of food. 

[willyagogo]

Truth....

Did any of these labs tell you what people were doing to the samples?....Or did they tell you why the price has gone up so much?.....Seems to me like the labs are trying to benefit (monetarily that is) in this situation and take advantage of people that are upset and want to know what killed their pets.

Well, maybe they aren't.....but you would think that in the interest of science (or whatever)....they would make the testing a little more affordable for those who have allready been tapped out with vet bills!

The ones with open arms....have you found out anything regarding possible motives...and how did they compare in price...to the others?....I'm so curious about this stuff. I'm so lucky that my dogs are healthy.....I can't even imagine how others struggling through this are feeling....

And even though I now home-cook and feed raw ( about half and half)....as each day unfolds...I still worry about the food I'm feeding them....as well as my family! It's a good thing I have lots of hair...or I swear I'd be bald by now!

[Davis]

The public?  Truth B known keeps using that term. Who is the public? Non-government people? Non-pet food industry people? Who? We are all members of the "public" in some form or another whenever we are outside of any agency or industry. We know there are sick people out there, but sick people are everywhere, in every industry, agency, and every walk of life.  There are sick people who post on forums, sick people who work for the FDA, sick people who work in labs, and sick people who work in the pet food industry, and yes, sick people across the entire planet from every walk of life. Most importantly, people who are sitting in places of authority or power are not exempt from sickness, wrong doing, malicious intentions, dishonesty, or acting out of self-interest. Some are motivated simply to do evil for financial gain. Others are sick in other ways.  We are all at risk in every area of life, no matter what we do. An honest person is just as much at risk for having a skewed test results by an unethical or incompetent lab as a lab is of getting food that has been tainted by the customer who's paying for the test. It goes both ways. Life is difficult around every corner. So what's new? 

It seems to me that those who wish to have their food privately tested are being discouraged from doing so in the name of "truth", and are being given many valid reasons why they should not, which I acknowledge. However, if they are willing to take those risks, I see no reason not to have it done. But I'm sure there are those who are very threatened by this. Perhaps we need to be very cautious about everything we read and hear. Are any of you reading between the lines? 

[FranciscoLABS]

Sorry willy, had to leave a while.
You know people. The sick twisted ones will do any thing in the name of the limelight. I beleive thats why the big labs wont take samples from the public? I've spent countless hours on the phone trying to get info out of them. E.F. Labs, S.Labs, W&T Labs, G.S. Labs. I have also found some too with open arms and Iam still investigating their motives, and making sure they use the correct method. I would really hate to pay for a test that invalid?

Wow, I sure have missed a lot. 

So from what I interpret these past testing are invalid?  What is the "truth" and yes, there are a lot of "sick" people. 

I never thought about sample tampering.  I can imagine unscrupulous people looking for a quick buck trying to get lawsuit monies from there babies "killed" from tainted pet food. Truth, people are sick!

So it seems most labs WON'T take samples from us?  That makes sense but I have soo many more questions.  Truth, can you be more helpful.  Why are other labs more open to take everyones samples? Money?  With the change in testing are these labs using the new procedure?

HELP! 

[Truth B known]

Hello Davis...
I am using the "terms" set forth by the labs. Public = people sending in samples. Companies (vets, manufactureers & suppliers ) = (non public) sending in samples.
I didnt make the rules they did? Wow do senior members like to attack newbies? Can anyone else read between the lines? I guess you are not interested in new people joining? So sad......I am sorry and won't bother you anymore....

[willyagogo]

Davis!!!........

I gotcha'!!!!....

That is why I ask so many questions?......It just didn't make sense to me, still doesn't!

I have asked "truth" for a link...or whatever...as I'd like to see some back up evidence on these tests.....It just doesn't make sense why people would pay foe a sample that they allready know the out-come of.

I do believe that many people would find this news intimdating and would not be encouraging for those who would actually like their food tested....

[FranciscoLABS]

Hello Davis...
I am using the "terms" set forth by the labs. Public = people sending in samples. Companies (vets, manufactureers & suppliers ) = (non public) sending in samples.
I didnt make the rules they did? Wow do senior members like to attack newbies? Can anyone else read between the lines? I guess you are not interested in new people joining? So sad......I am sorry and won't bother you anymore....

Welcome to the club. I'm a newb too! (I've never been "attacked" and thanks for stirring the pot!  That's what makes this forum fun and educational by shedding different light on this recall issue.  I appreciate your fire!

[willyagogo]

Truth....

You must understand....that us "seniors" have read so much since the first recalls....that it is custom to now question things. Maybe it's because the FDA, PFI and all others have been so shady .....that it only becomes second nature to want to question EVERYTHING.

Attacking "newbies" is not the agenda here...really...finding out the truth and sharing the latest is what we do....

What should be important to you as a dog lover is that you are doing the best for your dogs...if you have news to share...share it...but try not to be alarmed when something you say may seem suspect......I'm sure it's happened to all of us.

You just have to remember whats been going on and people are not going to be as trusting as you may like....I certainly don't trust everything at first....it's just not my nature......but  I try and understand why peolple say what they say...and leave it at that. Believe me...there's alot of folks that have taken a lot of slack here...but they understand the mentality of this situation.......am I making any sense?....

[Cindy Nevarez]

Riiiiiiggghhht......that's why we have 225 members now.

[Cindy Nevarez]

The posts that Tommyboy put up with the latest "update" reagarding testing criteria by the FDA would be where I would start if I had to do it. I'd print those out, along with any other subsequent "updates" that come later.

Then I would start calling those labs who are voluntarily testing for people. One that I would definately check among the first would be UC Davis, and also Michigan State. I would try to get them to send me their criteria that they use to compare to these by the FDA. I would be forthright in explaining why I need to make such a comparison. They actually might be able to prove that they ARE using the right criteria without having to actually show it to me. For example, I might read certain things to them over the phone, and ask if they do such and so. They might actually volunteer that they themselves are keeping updated on these ever-changing criteria too, which would be a plus...would it not?

This obviously would be a long and laborious process, but not impossible in my view.

Newbies; don't be discouraged. It sounds like a stupid cliche' that your grandmother used to say, but it's true...Where There's a Will There's a Way.

[willyagogo]

Cindy...

WOW!!!!.....Inever really paid attention to the # of members there are now!!! I think when I first became a member, there was only around 30 members then!

I didn't want to make us out to be a suspicious bunch (sometimes I word things wrong!)....just wanted to make the point that due to this current situation....we have become ones to question....and for "truth" to realize that just because we question isn't an attack.

Remember all the flack that Evy and Mike got sometimes? But, they realized the gravity of the situation....and understood why people questioned them sometimes.

Anyways....it's getting late...the dogs are looking at me as if to say..."Come on Mom...time for bed!"

And so....I bid you all a good night....and a better tomorrow!...Cheers!...

[sylvia]

Truth Be known:

Welcome and understand you are not alone in being attacked. I was not only attacked but accused of "shilling" for a dog food company I had never heard of a month before. So were others who never posted again.  My first inclination was to "dump" this site but I am a fighter. "Reading between the lines" is an art many never master, only think they have. However, I have learned a lot from many of the posters on this forum and think you will too.
PS: I am still using the new dog food I found over a month ago now ( and simply wanted to share) and there has not been even a whisper of a problem with it. My dogs love it and I have found a company that answers all emails within a day. No form replies here. We love Kumpi in NJ.
     Grey day at the Jersey Shore today.

[Cindy Nevarez]

Remember the bumper sticker "Always question authority."  Well, compared to what's going on now (and I don't mean 'just' the Food Issue)....that's an understatement.

Anyway, questioning is questioning...not attacking, not 'un-american,' not anything but questioning.

[sylvia]