Hey Geff - I assume you know kumpicat has both seafood and some veggies?  I'm also assuming you have seen the infamous threads on itchmo about kult kumpi?      I'm sure it is good food, but the threads were funny.

Hi Geff - my situation exactly.  I like to do my own research too so I can understand.  I think you will see what I mean soon 

My IBD cat is the same way - I know he got very sick on Wellness canned but I have no clue what the trigger was.   

Good luck!

(Sylvia - I do tend to believe Lacy's note that they By Nature is made by Evanger's.  It has that Evanger's look to it.  It looks just like the Felidae that I briefly fed my cats - same dark look.  Hard to describe but if you had tried it, you would know.  I'm not actively using it with my cats now.)

Lacy- never mind.  I just found the answer to my question regarding them being made by Evangers:

http://thepetfoodlist.com/forums/index.php?topic=312.0

Sylvia - their Blue Seal brand is made by Menu - the By Nature food is not.  That much they made clear to me in my email.

Hey Lacy - my info about By Nature simply says they are not made by Menu.  But I have heard someplace else that they were made by Evangers just like you said.  Did you have communication from them on that?

Did either vet actually provide you a copy of the lab results?  If not, you should ask for them.  Perhaps you could share what they are?

My cats actually ate the RC Weight Control 38 Prescription dry for years - even fewer calories than the stuff I think Gary used 'over the counter'.  They actually did well, but I wanted a more natural diet for the cats.  For some reason I'm with Gary - of the 'scientific' brands I like them the best.  Although I'm glad they weren't eating the canned Weight Control prescription formula - because it was recalled for too much Vit D.

I also am probably along the same lines with Natura.  My IBD cat is doing well on their canned Innova product.  I feel like the company has treated me poorly as they won't answer very basic questions I ask - but you can't easily switch an IBD cats diet.  Hopefully I will eventually find something else to give him.

Since Geff wasn't asking about pouches I only commented on the canned By Nature.  I wouldn't use the pouches myself.     As I mentioned earlier, they are not canned by Menu - but I don't know who does can them. But the cans do fit Geff's criteria.  They aren't favorites of my cats, but may work.  Lacy - I stopped using Felidae for the same reason - not sure if By Nature has had the same problems as other Evanger's canned foods.

I actually have about an 80 page document comparing all the canned foods - I put it together during the recalls so if some new flavor came out I wouldn't have it listed.  Geff - I would be willing to email it to you if you send me a note.  The file has notes about any recalls associated with the company, nutritional analysis, ingredients, and some info from other web pages.  It doesn't include any of the supermarket brands.

Two of my cats eat Wellness - and with Geff's requirements it would not be a good choice.  Too many veggies, although the garlic is being phased out.  Solid Gold would also be out as it contains seafood.  Halo (i.e. Spot's Stew) would be out - LOTS of veggies.   I'm paging through my binder on Breeder's Choice food and it looks like they all have seafood except Select Cuts - which is made in China    Eagle Pack was one that I had recommended for my IBD cat - but it looks like it contains peas, carrots and potato.


The following I believe make dry food only and were already ruled out by Geff due to their containing either seafood or veggies:  Timberwolf (Serengeti), Flint River Ranch, Bench & Field (although it appears they have a new dry that does not have seafood - does have some veggies).

And I think the following are raw:  Steve's Real Food, Honest Kitchen, mORGINS.  I think Sojouner Farms is something you mix with raw food?

I'm not sure if Wysong has any canned food options that meet your criteria.   I've heard that some people love Fromm and it is very simple food - but also made in China. It does contain some tomato paste and potato starch.

Good luck Geff - let us know what you decide!

The By Nature pouches are made in China  - the cans are not.   I think Geff was asking about canned.  I do have confirmation in email from the company that their cans are not made by Menu - but I did not ask who did make them.

Sylvia -I think some of the companies you listed are dry food only and many others don't meet Geffs special requirements? 

Hi Geff - By Nature comes to mind.   Meat, water, and vitamins/minerals. 

So sorry Lucky lost his friend Tootles.  But glad he still has Lacy. 

Now off to eat my strawberry ice cream ... which has less calories than the chocolate I hear

LOL 

But, when Lucky and his previous girlfriend Tootles

I love the names - Lucky & Tootles!!

Hi Gary.  Here was the info they provided me with:

Hi Jenny:  Thank you for taking the time to write about Dry Cat Wellness®.

Dry Cat Foods - Calories per 8 oz cup:   Complete Health Chicken 550   Complete Health Salmon 556   Healthy Weight 450   Indoor Health 465 Complete Health Kitten 553        Core 536         Beverly Robitaille Specialist  Consumer Affairs

I think you are right - i.e. more dense.  The old RC 38 they were eating may have been only 235 calories per cup but the kibble was much, much larger (i.e. puffed).   I did find it interesting that the Core was not the highest calorie food - I had expected it to be.

According to an email from the company,  Healthy Weight is 450 calories.  So, unless there was a typo when they emailed me.  Indoor Health is 465.  The others are all over 500.

I think they are all over 500 calories in a cup.  Considering my cats used to eat a cup of prescription cat food that was 235 calories for that cup, over 500 is a lot!  My IBD cat is getting just over 1/4 cup a day plus about 3/4 can of food.  But he can eat a lot more than my other two - they only need about 215 calories a day (they were gaining weight on the old food).

I would probably be more comfortable with RC myself.  We just recently tried peas & etc... on my IBD cat - he didn't like it.  They also ate the Weight Control 38 formula for years with no problems.  I know they had recalls but at least they acted on those related to melamine.  I do understand that they may have dragged their feet a little on the Vit D recall.