Got a response from them..I guess it is on their website:

Advantages of dehydration
Dehydration, or drying, is an ancient and gentle method of food preservation. Food dehydration works by removing only the water. Almost all other nutrients remain–and become highly concentrated. Dehydrated foods are highly nutritious, easy to prepare and store, and light-weight to ship.

Our fruits and vegetables are harvested at the peak of their ripeness, cleaned and trimmed, then gently dried below 104 degrees so they are still considered raw after dehydration is complete. Our meat and egg ingredients are dehydrated at a high enough temperature to kill any pathogenic bacteria that may be present, and the required temperature for this is above 120 degrees F. This makes them safe for human consumption–a requirement for entry into the human food facility where our products are made.

I only wish so much heat wasn't used. Otherwise looks like a good product line. Like the fact that they're another company that does respond to emails.

I guess they're still in the development stage. So anyone that said they purchased any- lied! Thank God you're all such honest people 

But again..that's my point. I DID point out Natura did the same thing- and even had more companies listed.  I guess it'd have to be in their section to get a response? 

Hmmm..Wellness was "defending" Menu as well. Yet I don't see the outrage here..maybe at itchmo? Will have to look sometime.

Davis..it wasn't overlooked(I don't have time to do a point by point response like you did)..I actually meant your second post- to Jenny.  It wasn't exactly "regardless of which side it's coming from". This was AFTER it was pointed out that Innova does indeed do the same thing.

I think I did find the post you're referring to:  http://itchmoforums.com/index.php?topic=238.msg3058#msg3058
 
If that's it..I'm as pissed off as you are. But for Wysong taking it down, not for what they said.  I suppose because *supposedly* so many were offended, they decided to do so. But look at that thread. Look at all the outrage(I'm being sarcastic here). You'd think it'd be 20 pages long.  It seems the not boycotting Menu is what got people most upset...I really don't see much wrong in what Wysong is saying there, especially given this was soon after the recall started.

Maybe the way it was discussed here and in that other thread at itchmoforums..made me think they were saying worse things than they were.  Guess I was set up for "your pets are dying..get over it" kind of language.  But then again I'm thinking..that can't be the post you guys are referring to 

No, I think Jenny was talking about the several links on that page under the "debates" heading that lead other pages of critiques on other pet food companies.  I don't think she was talking about just that one page.  There are actually several pages criticizing other companies.

That's what I was referring to. That section out of everything else on that page(other links to other pages there too).

Does anyone know how they go about dehydrating their products? I spent some time on their website but didn't see anything about it there.

I'm curious if anyone has purchased any of the 4 new products listed in their catalog(don't see it on their website). I'll be contacting them to try to get ingredients lists etc, but here they are as described in the catalog:

1. For Stress and Performance- A high meat and healthy fat dry kibble diet designed to meet the exceptional needs of dogs performing , under stress, convalescing, and needing anabolic stimulation.

2. For Weight Loss- A uniquely formulated dry food kibble that changes the metabolism of pets so they utilize body fat for energy and trim down to a healthy lean weight.

3. For Healthy Teeth and Gums- Specially designed to encourage gum health and discourage the accumulation of disease-causing tartar on teeth. Healthy for the rest of the body too!


4. ETHOS(tm)- No animals are raised or slaughtered specifically to create this food, nor is human food diverted to pet food for this food. High quality, USDA approved vegetable ingredients that are normally wasted, and high quality egg, dairy, and meat products and trimmings that are normally wasted provide the basis of this excellent diet. Resources are spared, food that could be used to feed starving people is not diverted to pets, and animals are not unneccessarily factory farmed or slaughtered to make this product. Fortified and balanced with Wysong antioxidants, vitamins, minerals, probiotics, prebiotics , and active enzymes.

Not responsible for any grammatical errors  Prices are also not given in the catalog.

I guess their Dream Treats are also new..but those can be seen on their website.

And from reading that thread it seems that particular post by Wysong was soon after the recall stuff started(as someone in that thread pointed out)..and as you can see they now have 2 other pages on it. 

Still may not make it right(I'd still love to be able to see it)..but once again I'm glad to see people complaining about that issue rather than the quality etc of Wysong's products.

Thanks for the link btw.

But that's what I mean. If Wysong did it EXACTLY like the others, or how you'd like..everything would be fine.  Innova/Natura lists a whole lot more companies than Wysong- to do an "analysis from one company to theirs", as you put it.

 "No additional comments"..no "trashing" either....do you mean like "While the whole corn kernel is nutritious and follows Natura's philosophy of supplying whole grain nutrition, corn is considered to be highly allergenic."- direct from Natura's website, in their comparisons. Some others: "Brewer's rice is a lower quality rice product that is missing many of the nutrients found in ground rice and ground brown rice. (See the descriptions for those ingredients.) Natura uses only whole ingredients, with their nutrients still intact."

"Fish meal is made from unspecified types of fish. While fish meal can be a good source of essential fatty acids and is very palatable for cats, the ambiguous nature of this ingredient puts it on our unapproved ingredient list."

"Artificial flavors and colors don't belong in dog and cat food. Use of these ingredients can conceal damage or inferiority, or make the product appear better than it actually is. Natura does not need to add artificial flavor, color, or other chemical ingredients to our foods. They add no nutritional value and raise questions about the health and safety of chemical additives to our pets' diets when eaten everyday. Instead, Natura's flavor and color come from the use of real, human-grade ingredients."

As I said before...it's not just their use of the top quality ingredients..it's the way they process things, etc. If you want the most protein..if you really think that's what you need- there are other options.

I've found a lot more information on Wysong's website than anywhere else.  Their common sense- as you can see in their response to Innova..is refreshing.

As for their comments on the pet food recall...I'll admit I never saw it- only people alluding to it.  I did read the long pages they still do have up on it...including their claim that they received both positive and negative on the post you're referring to.  One thing I do know..none of their foods were on the recall list.

I'd like to re-post the link you gave earlier: http://www.wysong.net/faqpets.shtml#companydebates As anyone can see...there's just one small section on "trashing"  other companies. The rest of the page has lots of other info on ingredients..research...etc etc.  I just read this one which I found very interesting: http://www.wysong.net/dontbefooled/wyscin.shtml

Sylvia..thanks for directing me to that particular post. I guess it answers MY questions regarding it(meal involves lots of HEAT-)..but I recall someone else not seeming to get direct responses to his/her questions(I have no desire to reread it all).  And then the whole point of THIS thread 

I realize Therese has no problem with Evy using this place to direct people to her website or to just email or call her instead..but I agree with some of the others that said if you're going to come here you're better off just responding here.  Whether there's another motive or not..it's just what this forum is for

To your question...it'd be silly. 

In fact..if you go back using web.archive.org...you can see they(Innova) DID list Wysong in their "comparison" list back in 1999(I didn't check the other years). Notice now-a-days they no longer have Wysong on the list.  But also notice they do still target the other companies and their ingredients. (Again..if Wysong just did it that way- it'd be fine with you guys? Ok...)

http://web.archive.org/web/20031002163031/naturapet.com/display.php?d=comp-wiz

But Davis..back to your first post- Innova did it to Wysong. You see Wysong pointing out where other companies are/have gone wrong(in their opinion) as well...so they're the bad guys. Sure..I suppose if they left out the names with any company that didn't directly mention them(Wysong)- it'd probably be better(for those sensitive to these kinds of things).  But Innova did and does list competitors BY NAME as well.

And I guess it's also good that they're(Wysong) mainly being attacked for doing that- rather than for what they are actually saying about their ingredients(or another company's)or what others are saying about them. 

I read the other thread and now this one. While her food sounds good...it's very odd to me that she didn't know the answers to the "meal" questions(among others)...and was going to post answers she got from her lab tech or whoever.  Still no answers..although I wonder if, as posted in the other thread, the new formulation/upgraded website will show they don't use the ingredients anymore that people were questioning her on.

"100% Free Range Brazilian Beef dog chews are from Brazilian cattle that are grass-fed only, resulting in lean meat and lower fat throughout. All Free Range cattle products are Hormone-FREE. No antibiotics, No mad cow and No animal by-products are ever added to the cattles all-natural grass diet. Free Range slow-roasts all their products at low temperatures making their meaty bones and tendons healthier, safer and cleaner than typical beef bones that are boiled. Each bone is individually wrapped for sanitation and cleanliness."

Hmmmmmm...

Maybe Innova wisely took it down. Here's the page with Wysong's response: http://www.wysong.net/controversies/innova.shtml

If that's an attitude problem..I love it.

They look good to me