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1  Dry and Wet Foods / Diamond / Re: No respect for Diamond on: May 08, 2007, 12:04:51 PM
+1 on diamond bashing. They run an awfully shady operation. I've been hit twice by them in the past.. in '05 and now in 07. (second time, unknowningly through natural balance)

avoid at all costs.
2  Dry and Wet Foods / Nutro / Re: Any experiences with Nutro DRY DOG products to share? on: May 08, 2007, 11:55:52 AM
I have a 10 year old dog who was on Nutro Natural Choice Lite for many, many years. She would often vomit bile in the afternoon. The vet said (just like others have said) that some dogs just do that. In January for some reason I started looking at other dog foods, found lots of info online and switched to Canidae Life Stages. My dog had an immediate change for the better - no more afternoon vomiting and her coat is just the softest, most beautiful coat I've ever seen on her. The change was drastic, even the vet commented before I even told her of the diet change. I'm so angry knowing that for years the poor thing was vomiting because of something I was giving her.

Took some time to find a local supplier of canidae but I managed to find one and buy a bag over the weekend. Looks good, I'll have to try it and see.
3  Recall Related Information / General Recall Discussion / Re: "Additive that tainted U.S. pet food is commonly used in China" on: April 29, 2007, 11:18:50 PM
ok the same article word for word is on the front page of the ny times now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/business/worldbusiness/30food.html

updated link to the original site http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/30/business/30food.php

it's slightly modified from the original, but the basic content is the same. if you don't have a nytimes login, try the second link. I believe they are carbon copies
4  Recall Related Information / General Recall Discussion / Re: "Additive that tainted U.S. pet food is commonly used in China" on: April 29, 2007, 02:57:14 PM
wow they took down the article... check out the thread: http://www.itchmo.com/read/melamine-spiking-in-food-widespread-for-years_20070429#comments

may be censorship

good thing i cut and pasted the whole thing...
5  Dry and Wet Foods / Nutro / Re: Any experiences with Nutro DRY DOG products to share? on: April 29, 2007, 01:41:53 PM
I hear you loud and clear.

I bought some nutro after my natural balance food and royal canin rice based products got recalled in a one two punch. my dog has some allergic reaction to poultry based food and unfortunately nutro was the last remaining lamb/rice brand unaffected in my local petc.

Although there's been no recall on their dry stuff yet (crosses fingers), it just seems like some of the other very low quality mass produced garbage (purina, euka, etc) that I tried to avoid in the first place by going "premium". My dog just threw up this morning, and if she does again in the next three days I'm gonna have to trash this even if the website claims its safe.

I have no intention of keeping my dog on this brand long term... I don't even like the fact that they use gluten in the first place. I'm scouring the web for some other possibilities... possibly mail order some non mainstream premium food.
6  Recall Related Information / General Recall Discussion / Re: Blue Buffalo statement on: April 29, 2007, 12:59:15 PM
"stunned" my ass!

they found the cheapest supplier and as they say, the rest is history.

one more brand for me to avoid.
7  Recall Related Information / General Recall Discussion / Re: Vitamins from China... on: April 29, 2007, 12:51:39 PM
BASF is a chemical company, like Dow, DuPont, and Union Carbide. Personally, I would avoid vitamin or food products from any of those companies, regardless of country of origin. Also, I doubt if there's any easy way to know for sure if BASF sources their raw materials from China.

yeah... seriously, didn't basf make floppy disks in the 80s?  Huh
I would not trust them to make vitamin or food products either....
8  Recall Related Information / General Recall Discussion / "Additive that tainted U.S. pet food is commonly used in China" on: April 29, 2007, 12:45:08 PM
(4/30 update: for unknown reasons the article was taken down from the herald tribune website, but an updated version is now available as a different url and also on the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/business/worldbusiness/30food.html the version below is the original copy)

I don't know if this is a repost (I tried to search and see if someone posted it already...)
it's some good old fashioned investigative reporting. a must read!

in summary, these idiots in china have no morals and will do whatever (knowingly) to save $4.80 out of every $6. Add to that the "capitalists" in north america who import this crap to save a nickel and it's no wonder we have these problems.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/30/business/30food.php (<- updated link)

Additive that tainted U.S. pet food is commonly used in China
By David Barboza and Alexei Barrionuevo
Published: April 29, 2007


ZHANGQIU, China: American food safety regulators trying to figure out how an industrial chemical called melamine contaminated so much pet food in the United States might come to this heavily polluted city in Shandong Province in the northern part of the country.

Here at the Shandong Mingshui Great Chemical Group factory, huge boiler vats are turning coal into melamine, which is used to create plastics and fertilizer.

But the leftover melamine scrap, small acorn-sized chunks of white rock, is then being sold to local entrepreneurs, who say they secretly mix a powdered form of the scrap into animal feed to artificially enhance the protein level.

The melamine powder has been dubbed "fake protein" and is used to deceive those who raise animals into thinking they are buying feed that provides higher nutrition value.

"It just saves money," says a manager at an animal feed factory here. "Melamine scrap is added to animal feed to boost the protein level."

The practice is widespread in China. For years animal feed sellers have been able to cheat buyers by blending the powder into feed with little regulatory supervision, according to interviews with melamine scrap traders and agricultural workers here.

But now, melamine is at the center of a massive, multinational pet food recall after it was linked earlier this month to the deaths and injuries of thousands of cats and dogs in the United States and South Africa.

No one knows exactly how melamine - which had not been believed to be particularly toxic - became so fatal in pet food, but its presence in any form of American food is illegal.

U.S. regulators are now headed to China to figure out why pet food ingredients imported from here, including wheat gluten, were contaminated with high levels of the chemical.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has banned imports of wheat gluten from China and ordered the recall of over 60 million packages of pet food. And last week, the agency opened a criminal investigation in the case and searched the offices of at least one pet food supplier.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture also stepped in Thursday, ordering more than 6,000 hogs to be quarantined or slaughtered after some of the pet food ingredients laced with melamine were accidentally sent to hog farms in eight states, including California.

Scientists are now trying to determine whether melamine could be harmful to human health.

The huge pet food recall is raising questions in the United States about regulatory controls at a time when food supplies are increasingly being sourced globally. Some experts complain that the FDA is understaffed and underfunded, making it incapable of safeguarding America's food supply.

"They have fewer people inspecting product at the ports than ever before," says Caroline Smith DeWaal, director of food safety for the Center for Science in the Public Interest in Washington. "Until China gets programs in place to verify the safety of their products, they need to be inspected by U.S. inspectors. This open-door policy on food ingredients is an open invitation for an attack on the food supply, either intentional or unintentional."

The pet food case is also putting China's agricultural exports under greater scrutiny because the country's dubious food safety record and history of excessive antibiotic and pesticide use.

In recent years, for instance, China's food safety scandals have involved everything from fake baby milk formulas and soy sauce made from human hair, to instances where cuttlefish were soaked in calligraphy ink to improve their color and eels were fed contraceptive pills to make them grow long and slim.

China's government disputes any suggestion that melamine from the country could have killed pets. But Friday, regulators here banned the use of melamine in vegetable proteins made for export or for use in domestic food supplies.

Yet it is clear from visiting this region of northern China is that for years melamine has been quietly mixed into Chinese animal feed and then sold to unsuspecting farmers as protein-rich pig, poultry and fish feed.

Many animal feed operators advertise on the Internet seeking to purchase melamine scrap. And melamine scrap producers and traders said in recent interviews that they often sell to animal feed makers.

"Many companies buy melamine scrap to make animal feed, such as fish feed," says Ji Denghui, general manager of the Fujian Sanming Dinghui Chemical Company. "I don't know if there's a regulation on it. Probably not. No law or regulation says 'don't do it,' so everyone's doing it. The laws in China are like that, aren't they? If there's no accident, there won't be any regulation."

Most local feed companies do not admit that they use melamine. But last Friday here in Zhangqiu, a fast-growing industrial city southeast of Beijing, a pair of animal feed producers explained in great detail how they purchase low-grade wheat, corn, soybean or other proteins and then mix in small portions of nitrogen-rich melamine, whose chemical properties give a bag of animal feed an inflated protein level under standard tests.

Melamine is the new scam of choice, they say, because urea - another nitrogen-rich chemical that works similarly - is illegal for use in pig and poultry feed and can be easily tested for in China as well as the United States.

"If you add it in small quantities, it won't hurt the animals," said one animal feed entrepreneur whose name is being withheld to protect him from prosecution. [my comment: **** YOU]

The man - who works in a small animal feed operation that consists of a handful of storage and mixing areas - said he has mixed melamine into animal feed for years.

He said he was not currently using melamine, which is actually made from urea. But he then pulled out a plastic bag containing what he said was melamine powder and said he could dye it any color.

Asked whether he could create an animal feed and melamine brew, he said yes, he has access to huge supplies of melamine. Using melamine-spiked pet food ingredient was not a problem, he said, even thought the product would be weak in protein.

"Pets are not like pigs or chickens," he said casually, explaining that cheating them on protein won't matter. "They don't need to grow fast."

The feed seller makes a heftier profit because the substitute melamine scrap is much cheaper than purchasing soy, wheat or corn protein.

"It's true you can make a lot more profit by putting melamine in," said a second animal feed seller here in Zhangqiu. "Melamine will cost you about $1.20 per ton for each protein count whereas real protein costs you about $6, so you can see the difference."

Few people outside of agriculture know about melamine here. The Chinese media, which is strictly censored, has not reported much about melamine or the pet food recall overseas. And no one in agriculture here seems to believe that melamine is particularly harmful to animals or pets in small doses.

A man named Jing, who works in the sales department at the Shandong Mingshui Great Chemical Group, said Friday that melamine scrap prices had been rising but he was not aware of how the company's product was being used.

"We have an auction for melamine scrap every three months," he said. "I haven't heard of it being added to animal feed. It's not for animal feed."

David Barboza reported from Zhangqiu and Alexei Barrionuevo reported from Chicago. Rujun Shen also contributed reporting.
9  Recall Related Information / General Recall Discussion / Re: List Of Companies That Got The Tainted Rice Protein on: April 29, 2007, 12:33:17 PM
all the dry Natural Balance products recalled due to tainted rice protein were manufactured by Diamond (diamond=blacklisted in my list from 2005 aflatoxin related recall).

this is NOT to say natural balance is innocent. (they are now also blacklisted)

I'm just so furious I bought their venison/rice for months without knowing it was basically a relabeled diamond product. I need to get the word out and spam every pet food forum I can google up.

Thanks for listening to my rant. Sad Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
10  Recall Related Information / Kudos / Re: Kudos to Blue Buffalo and Nature's Balance on: April 29, 2007, 12:19:09 PM
hmm

I presume you are referring to Natural Balance? In which case I don't see any reason to thank them. I for one will not be buying any more of their products.

They were safe when the first round of wheat gluten recalls went off... and denied any chance of their food being recalled. Boy was I glad I was paying a premium for their non-wheat gluten dog food. 

Then when their venison & brown rice products went into recall I was devastated, as I had been feeding my dog this crap for months. I did a little more detective work, since natural balance web site didn't give out any details (with an unreachable pr email address @naturalblance.com --- my , what a convenient typo).  Turns out, they outsourced the venison and brown rice line to Diamond pet food, my long time arch-nemesis (yes I was effected by THAT recall in 2005 as well).  Had I known natural balance food was just relabeled diamond pet food, I would have never ever in a million years bought them.

of course, after that dry food recall, they furiously denied that any other products in their line are effected... few weeks later, their canned food... which --- big surprise --- they outsourced to another mass producer. yet of course, they now continue to deny no other product in their stable is effected.

these pet food manufacturers need to fully disclose where they are getting the ingredients and exactly which company is producing/packaging the end product.

also, nb makes no mention of the fact that the products involved in the recall were manufactured by diamond pet food. and their "testimonial" page on the website makes me want to vomit. they sure didn't post my nasty testimonial I sent in, not that I'd blame them.




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