Okay - I did a quick check with a different brand....Natures  Variety  :-) for those that pefer this diet over Iams :-)

And the NV website lets you do a calcuation based on activity level, etc....

I came up with 46.9 oz for a very active 80 lb dog (wet only).... at 354 per can (13.2oz), then that is 3.5 cans or 1239 kcal for the day

I came up with 4 5/8 for the dry for a very active 80 lb dogs.... at 391 per cup, then that is 1805 give or take a few kcal.

So why the differences?

As well, if I read the labels on the cans, they say 1 1/4 can to 1 3/4 can per 15 lbs of body weight....
Manually (without the website aid) I came up with 3.5 cans for 60 lbs, then added another 1 3/4 for another 15 lbs for 5.25 cans. Then for 5 more lb dog....almost 6 cans. This is very confusing!

This may not be specific to just IAMS, so I am hoping someone can help me figure this out. I was reading the Iams dog food vs canned food feeding requirements.

Iams Large Breed Adult
80 lbs = 3.25 cups per day at 93.5 kcal/.25 cup or 1215.5 kcal per day for an 80 lb dog
374 kcal/cup

Iams Canned Ground Savory Dinner with Meaty Beef and Rice
80 lbs = 5 cans or 10 one-half cans at 8 lbs per 1/2 can feeding requirement. 80/8 = 10 one half cans or 5 full cans.
488 kcal/can x 5 cans = 2440 kcal per day for an 80 lb dog

Am I misreading this information or interpreting it wrong? I am just doing some research on wet vs dry and the kcal listed and what is recommended for feeding and this just doesn't seem right, so I think I'm missing something.

Plus the Iams website says the per kg kcal is 1199 for the wet and 3588 for the dry.
If this is the case, how can the wet have so much more kcal per can than per kg? Would an 80 lb dog really get 2440 kcals per day on the wet? That seems like a LOT of calories compared to the dry of only 1215.5 kcal per day.

Now that is just too adorable!

Sounds like they had a fun time!

Gorgeous!!!! Beautiful cat. I love his blue eyes!

There was one person that wrote they had been feeding Orijen for a week and then symptoms occurred.....I'm not sure I trust that post. The cats that got sick had eaten the food for awhile and then off the food - it took quite some time for the symptoms to show. This is the Internet....so I don't believe EVERYTHING I read. Not saying the person lied....but I don't know who this person is and have they contacted Champion Pet Food and did they go to the Vet and what were the results? Is there evidence to prove any of what they say?

I have to give Champion the benefit of the doubt. We don't know they have done anything underhanded. I learned that companies, just like when Natures Variety had issues with their food, that these folks really do care and are trying to do what is best....sometimes bad things happen and we should not be so quick to crucify them. I know over the last year I was a little harsh to some companies with issues. But I've decided it is best to let the facts speak for themselves and not "guess in public" when we are not 100% sure. I mean, how would we like it if our names were drug through the dirt when all the facts were not known? Sure I don't make dog food or cat food but I think some of the posts on here have gone over the top.

I do hope that anyone's cat that is potentially impacted by this will:

(1) Get the cat to the Vet and get diagnosed and treated
(2) Contact Champion Pet Food with your Vet
(3) Express your experience once the FACTS are known - sometimes cats do get sick for other reasons besides irridated cat food!

Just my two cents.

Thanks!

Robert

Now Robert you and I go way back. You know I don't beleive everything I read on the internet. I do however believe the posger with the cat before I believe Champion Pet Foods. You have done an all out assault on a few companies that have had problems and the problems did not endanger lives. I remember you going all out on Natures Variety. They immediately notified all distributors and stores. Yet you went calling all the stores in your area to see if they knew. I can tell you half the stores don't even pay attention to the memo's they get. They are the ones to blame for things like that. Tell me have you called all the stores in your area to tell them about the fish bones and now the cats in Australia? Have you told everyone you know to call their local stores. I have. I have told every person I know that feeds orijen to be careful and stop feeding. I am tired of this company pulling this stuff and getting away with it over and over. Everything is never their fault. Its the country's (Austrilia) fault or the screens fault, or the cows fault. How many times do you need to hear of a problem with a company before you decide to not give them the benefit of the doubt. Why shouldn't we doubt them?  Its our animals not their's and they could care less so long as the mighty dollar keeps comeing in. So they did testing. Big deal. They can do alot more and I know they can do alot more but that would cost money. Why in the world should we trust our precious pet kids to companies that keep coming up with problems and blaming them on everything and everyone else. If its the irradiation then why in the world is not happening to other irradiated foods? These are questions I want answers to and I want answers swift and quick. Not months from now. I see this food on the shelves where I shop and I see people buying it and I know half of them have no idea there was even recall. None of the stores I go to have been notified. I don't care that its not here in the US. "yet" If you have a problem with any of your food and you "don't" know what it is than "ALL" food should be suspect. Period. End of the story. My patience has run very thin with all companies and I only trust a few and even them I don't trust 100% because I know that things can happen and do happen. So give them the benefit of the doubt? NEVER. They have not given me a reason to. I hold every food I feed to a high standard and if they can't swing it then I won't buy it. There is no way ever that I will put my dogs life in a company's hands that tries to hide things and can't even figure out if it was their food or what it is if it is the food.

Just my 2 cents. As most can tell from my post I am very po'd and I should be and so should everyone else that has to feed commercial food to their pets. We are not asking for much and by God we deserve what we ask for since we are the ones paying price and sometimes that price is way too much. No one should ever have to lose a pet because food. Its ridiculous and needs to be stopped. It never should happen. No excuse.  I will never again settle for anything less.

Yes we go way back :-) And you have provided some really good advice offline to me.....Which is why I specifically mentioned Natures Variety in the post and stated I did jump the gun on some companies in the past. And that is why I have held back any negative viewpoints when I don't know the facts. Just like NV came on and answered questions, you remember how they were attacked and you stood up for them and couldn't believe how they were being treated? The same is going on with Champion Pet Foods.  Yes, I did call my local stores and let them know to watch for the bones in the 6 Fish. I did not call about the Australian incident because right now it is only Australia and cats are not falling ill here like overseas.  So that is why I posted how I did. I'm not trying to shut people up....just speaking from my own experience and how somethings look a little different than what they might appear online....plus some things take awhile to find out - not all answers are right now. I mean you gave NV the benefit of the doubt even when they talked about things that didn't make sense when they were trying to figure it all out.....

There was one person that wrote they had been feeding Orijen for a week and then symptoms occurred.....I'm not sure I trust that post. The cats that got sick had eaten the food for awhile and then off the food - it took quite some time for the symptoms to show. This is the Internet....so I don't believe EVERYTHING I read. Not saying the person lied....but I don't know who this person is and have they contacted Champion Pet Food and did they go to the Vet and what were the results? Is there evidence to prove any of what they say?

I have to give Champion the benefit of the doubt. We don't know they have done anything underhanded. I learned that companies, just like when Natures Variety had issues with their food, that these folks really do care and are trying to do what is best....sometimes bad things happen and we should not be so quick to crucify them. I know over the last year I was a little harsh to some companies with issues. But I've decided it is best to let the facts speak for themselves and not "guess in public" when we are not 100% sure. I mean, how would we like it if our names were drug through the dirt when all the facts were not known? Sure I don't make dog food or cat food but I think some of the posts on here have gone over the top.

I do hope that anyone's cat that is potentially impacted by this will:

(1) Get the cat to the Vet and get diagnosed and treated
(2) Contact Champion Pet Food with your Vet
(3) Express your experience once the FACTS are known - sometimes cats do get sick for other reasons besides irridated cat food!

Just my two cents.

Thanks!

Robert

While stating cats are sick on this food w/out giving links to these confirmed reports he hocks his own product....kind of fishy in my view....and feels like IMHO a play on people's emotions......

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I'm going to check out the website on the supplement. How long have you been using it?

I don't actually use the supplements - I was poking fun that the doctor was stating issues in the US and then on the same page hocking his own wares....  :-)

While stating cats are sick on this food w/out giving links to these confirmed reports he hocks his own product....kind of fishy in my view....and feels like IMHO a play on people's emotions......

P.P.S. You can try my New Supplement- Certified Toxin
Free because it is 3rd party tested-
Dr Jones’ Ultimate Canine Health Formula
for HALF OFF by going here:

http://www.thedogsupplement.com

@coontuffy - thanks for the info 

And thanks to Champion Pet Foods for doing due diligence to find the root cause and then communicate it.

Robert

Was this ruled out in the cats?

from: http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/catneuro.html

"Another possible explanation
for wobbliness in the rear limbs is hypokalemia (low blood potassium),
which is a part of many lab profiles, but not all of them."

It doesn't say it would cause death, but if they continued to have low blood potassium, could they eventually die?

Most food products are not shipped in their final consumer packaging for several reasons.  During transit and the way the large ocean containers are packed, the packaging can become smashed or damaged, thus the need to repackage upon distribution; plus the need to repackage into smaller units to be sold to the consumers.

So there’s the possibility the pet food was shipped in to Australia in burlap bags which is how most food stuffs are shipped.  Burlap bags are not air tight and during the irradiation process could have the pet food directly irradiated through the burlap.

So is this just with simple dry foods like beans and rice or is this also with dog food, cat food? How can any manufacturer guarantee their product doesn't get contaminated if they don't package their own product before shipping and then place the best before date or manufacturing imprint on the package?

By looking at other forums and reading links about irridation....I'm changing my mind....sounds like it can cause problems after all.

Irridation should not cause this though.....it has been used safely for years, even here in the United States. I can see pallets being sprayed with chemicals to kill pests but irridation uses radiation and there is no left over residue from that process - at least from what I've been reading. This is so strange!

I'm thinking your thought of the chemicals on wooden pallets might be the better answer to the issue and may have nothing to do with irridation but treatments for pests on the pallets to ensure no pets enter the country.