Some questions for Evy, I have summarized all unanswered questions from "Ingredients of Kumpi" thread to make it easier.

1. Question by Lisa_C, seconded by several people:
How is meat meal made? What is the consequence of this amount of processing?

2. Related questions by Sarah:
a) Can humans eat this meat meal without harm?  
b) Exactly what parts of the animal go into meat meal?  
c) Is meat meal made in the same facilities as rendered by products?  If not then where is it made and how is it made. 
d) Who makes the meat meal?  What condition is the meat before it is made into meat meal?

Follow up question by Alek0 - does "live kill" include diseased animals?


3. Question by Alek0:
You claim that there is a big difference between proteinates and metal amino acid chelates. Please provide evidence on significant difference in bioavailability in cats for metal amino acid chelates vs. proteinates.

4. Question by Alek0:
Is ther another benefit of Yucca Schidigera besides reducing fecal odor and smell of flatulence (not amount of gas)? If yes, please cite evidence.

Again, I am not asking about the source where you buy it from, I am asking about proofs of benefit of Yucca which would justify your singling it out as a significant point of comparison with other pet foods.
5. Question by Alek0:
Which is better - chicken liver meal or freeze dried chicken liver?

6. Question by Alek0:
OK, formula is proprietary, you can't give the ratio of amino acid chelates to inorganic mineral sources. But surely you can explain why you use inorganic mineral sources at all when amino aci chelates are so superior?

Is there any reason for use of two ingredients one of which is even by your own claims clearly inferior, rather than one?

7. Question by Sarah:
I would like to get answers to my other questions, among them - you mentioned it is against the law or the FDA rules that dogs and cats cannot be used in pet food.  I looked for this law or rule but couldn't find anything about it.

Fess up. Which pet food company did you work for?

Proof is in the pudding. 8 years feeding this and dogs are perfect. I wouldn't switch if someone paid me to.
Nor will I ever forgive and forget what these pet food companies did to animals and animal owners. If any of you bastards still come here, Yuck Fou.

Still feeding this brand. No negative issues. The dogs are now going on 8 years old, and are models of canine health.

Still feeding this brand. No negative issues.

Still feeding this brand. No negative issues health-wise to date.

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China bans lye, boric acid as food additives
Government crackdown is aimed at improving shoddy food safety record
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BEIJING - Substances commonly used as industrial dyes, insecticides and drain cleaners were included on a list of illegal food additives China released Monday as part of a monthslong government crackdown aimed at improving the country's shoddy food safety record.

Among the 17 banned substances was boric acid, commonly used as an insecticide, which is mixed with noodles and meatballs to increase elasticity, a statement posted on the Ministry of Health Web site said. Also forbidden was industrial formaldehyde and lye, used in making soap and drain cleaner and added to water used to soak some types of dried seafood to make the products appear fresher and bigger.

A scandal over melamine-tainted infant formula, which likely killed six babies and sickened 294,000 others earlier this year, prompted the government food safety campaign last week.

The list of banned substances was released by a government committee tasked with weeding out the practice of augmenting food products with nonfood additives. Local authorities were also warned to watch out for another 10 food additives that are often used excessively.

"This list provides clues for relevant departments as they carry out this campaign," said the statement, adding that the list was not comprehensive.

The government had previously banned some of the 17 substances as separate scandals rocked the country and raised concerns over products such as milk and eggs, but the list released Monday appeared to mark the first attempt at compiling the information.

Also on the list were various industrial dyes that are added to improve the appearance of food products, ranging from chili powder to tea to cooked meats.

The government working group even listed an addictive substance made from the poppy plant and related to opium, which can be used as a painkiller. It is often used in hot pot, a Chinese dish where meat, vegetables and tofu are cooked at the table.

Along with the banned additives, the government named 10 substances such as colorings, preservatives and artificial flavorings that should not be used excessively.

The list will help local inspectors target food products more likely to be problematic. The investigation will focus on goods made by small food factories, which are often poorly regulated, the official Xinhua News Agency reported.

Among China's 500,000 food processors, 70 percent have fewer than 10 employees, Xinhua said.

Cancer-causing dye was used to color eggs
Previously banned items on the list were Sudan red, a cancer-causing industrial dye used to color egg yolks, and melamine, an industrial chemical used in plastics that is added to watered-down milk to fool protein tests measuring nitrogen content.

China is also looking into the practice of adding melamine to animal feed after finding eggs spiked with the chemical in October, the state-run China Daily said Monday. China's National Feed Office found 27 cases of contamination among 22,700 samples and forwarded the problematic batches to police, the paper said.

China first banned the use of melamine in animal feed in June 2007, after wheat gluten used in pet food was found to contain excessive melamine. The ingredient was blamed for killing dogs and cats in North America.
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Its about damn time . I  sure hope we dont offend the chinese too much

Actually, one-year prior to the recall. The dogs were still in their first year then.

Update. Still feeding. No issues. 

This message forum was lighting up all hours of the day. I havent forgotten any of it. Especially the appeals/tributes from people who were losing/lost one of their animal pets. A dark, nasty side of corporate America reared its head and told us profits first-pets second. I was impressed with all the people on here standing up for their animals, and I hope everyone found whatever food they would be comfortable purchasing/making to feed their pets. I only wish I knew more, and could have contributed more to the various discussions. I just pray nothing like that happens ever again.

Update. Still feeding the Kumpi Dry. Both dogs healthy, nice coats, well proportioned.

Hi. Have you found anything yet? There used to be alot of cat owners here ready with advice, I'm sorry though I have none because I own dogs. Is the homemade option off of the tabel. Many folks here were only trusting of their homemade recipees last year. Good luck.

Yeah, I would like the truth and the answer, too.

Update. Still feeding this daily. Things going well. No bad reactions. Crap still smells like crap, though.

Still feeding this food to my two dogs. Still no adverse reaction to it.(this is not an advertisement)